• Thu, Apr 19 2012

Lady, You Really Aren’t “Crazy”

And when men do this on a regular basis, remember that, if you are a women, you are not the exception. You are not so cool and fabulous and levelheaded that they will totally get where you are coming from when you show emotions other than “pleasant agreement.”

When men say “most women are crazy, but not you, you’re so cool” the subtext is not, “I love you, be the mother to my children.” The subtext is “do not step out of line, here.” If you get close enough to the men who say things like this, eventually, you will do something that they do not find pleasant. They will decide you are crazy, because this is something they have already decided about women in general.

At that point, I think a completely normal thing to do would be to go out, buy them a rabbit, give it to them, wait until they name it, love it, and form a strong emotional connection with it – see if you can get them to a place where it is their only true friend – and then boil it for stew. Hell, you’re crazy anyway. You can do stuff like that. At least that way you’ll have a new pair of bunny slippers!

No. Not really. The correct response to this is never to think “they want crazy? I’ll show them crazy.”

Nor is the correct response to decide that you can be saner. This is tricky, because trying to be saner when “being saner” means “behaving in a way one specific individual wants you to behave” is cuckoo for cocoa puffs ludicrous. It’s also really difficult. That’s not to say it can’t be done. It’s doable! But it’s going  to require never expressing a single genuine emotion, sizing up every word or action before you express them and frankly, perfecting a good natured smile while people say things you find unbelievably stupid or offensive. Keep in mind – it is extra hard to do these things when someone is behaving in a way that makes you frustrated, or angry, or sad, or insecure, or whatever other emotion has been labeled as “crazy.” Trying to uphold this person’s conception of “sane” will turn you into the emotional equivalent of a smiling, well dressed lithopedion. Everything that animates you and makes you a person will get submerged, until you become utterly pleasant and undemanding and utterly brittle.

So that’s not the correct response.

I suppose the correct response is to realize that if women could get away with calling men crazy all the time, we probably would. It would be sort of great for women to get to go around and say things like “dude didn’t put out once at 4:00 in the morning, immediately after I killed his dog. You know why? ‘Cause he was crazy. Men. They be crazy.” And then we could shrug our shoulders and move on after having dismissed his feelings and abdicating any emotional responsibility whatsoever. That seems great.

I mean, it seems monstrous, but also great, if great is defined as “really easy ways to feel that I am in the right about everything 100% of the time, someone else is the entire problem.” Which, yeah, I think that’s in the dictionary.

When men talk about women being crazy, it’s generally not because a woman is actually crazy. It’s generally because something uncomfortable has happened. And when things that are uncomfortable happen, one way to deal with it, especially if you do not particularly feel like figuring out the root of the problem, is by deciding that the other person must be wholly disconnected from any rational process. That is one way to deal with things. It’s not a reasonable way, but it’s a way. And that is a way people can opt to deal with things, and maybe even a way people love dealing with things, in part because, well, we’re all mad, here. Mad as hatters.

But know that there is a difference between a man who says “my last relationship really wasn’t good for my ex or me” and someone who says “women are just crazy. My ex-girlfriend, especially.” The difference is that the man in the first case is eminently sane.

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  • endn

    god seriously! that commonplace misogyny is disgusting, it should be a red flag to all women, and this piece on xojane in particular is so ridiculous and offensive, it’s like a banner for how that site values women. what i love about the gloss is the simple straightforward purpose, the lack of bullshit and pandering, and the respect to readers shown by not trolling for comments/clicks with revolting posts. thank you!

  • Lisa

    Yeah, men who call women in general crazy are really showing their lack of desire to understand and work with women as fellow human beings.

  • porkchop

    Yes. Thank you for calling out “most women are crazy but you’re cool” for what it really is.

    I have the amazing gift of being invisible to men like this. If they knew, they would think I was sad.

  • Ellen W.

    Sir Francis has your back, Jennifer.

  • Jo

    “You know, it’s funny, generally when men refer to their exes as “crazy” what I keep hearing is ‘she had emotions, and I did not like that.’”

    Best quotable of the week!!

    • Leila

      seconded!

  • Jen

    I want to print this article out and frame it! Jennifer Wright, you are my hero! :)

  • Briar_Rose

    Oh. My. God. This article is perfection. In the past when a guy referred to his ex or former hook-up as “crazy” I would think, “I bet she was! Not me though, I’m too cool!”

    Now when a guy says that, it’s a red flag about HIM.

  • MM

    Uggggh I actually read xoJane a lot because I think they have some really good articles but this one just pissed me off SO MUCH. I can think of few things I’d be less thrilled to see on a women’s website than a bunch of articles by an anonymous single dude sharing how he got laid even without the “crazy girl” bullshit

  • GentleMatt

    Guys calling women crazy are just too lazy to get to the actual problem, which might actually involve – quite shockingly – them.

    I did however observe a tendency of women calling themselves and their girlfriends crazy far in excess of what I have heard from men. In their statements, it seems, crazy can mean anything from “fun and outgoing” to “unpredictable” to “she stole my boyfriend” to “she attends the loonybin with great bravado”. Crazy has long gone from indicating mental illness to just another jaded term to denote something/anything off beat. It’s the road many strong expressions of feelings have gone.

    So with women using “crazy” as a positive asset in their own dating profiles, I don’t think we can blame anybody for picking up on it, even though it is a rather thoughtless thing to say.

    • S.

      yeah, except i can place blame because it’s all about the context in which the word is used. “crazy” describing a positive asset is not at all the same thing as “crazy” being used to discount somebody who makes you feel uncomfortable in your douchey-ness. and the user of the word fully knows that.

  • Eileen

    I’ve also noticed that “ladymags” tend to talk about “his crazy ex” in the same kind of way – when what they really mean is “his ex who doesn’t like him.” It kind of takes away from the cases where exes actually were “crazy” (she was bipolar and he couldn’t deal with it, for example, or it’s been years since they broke up and she still threatens him with physical violence) because you’re right; “crazy” for women means “not a personal doll designed to fulfill my fantasies.”

    • Eileen

      (Or sometimes it means “we were crazy for pursuing this relationship.” But, of course, a lot of us tend to blame the other person in such a situation)

    • Jayne

      YES. I have a s.o. who’s ex was legitimately “crazy” in that she was incredibly mental unstable and threatened violence to herself when they broke up. That is absolutely NOTHING like a woman who gets rightfully annoyed when being ignored or angry when cheated on and only serves to delegitimize real cases of mental instability.

  • Tania

    This is one of the best things I’ve read.

  • Kyle S.

    I’ve been involved with a couple of legitimately crazy women over the years, and can definitely say that “having emotional needs beyond a quick screw” and “having a bit of a drinking problem” sure as heck don’t count. Thinking your new boyfriend is the incarnation of a demon that has watched you bathe since you were a child, that’s crazy. Having an intimate, lesbian relationship with your golden retriever is slightly unbalanced. These women needed serious help and I hope they got it. “D” just needs to find a less horrible dating pool.

  • kt

    I’m glad someone wrote about this article. It really sickened me. Even if this woman had done something legitimately “crazy”…the tone of the article was so demeaning. Not only was this negative toward women but it made light of serious mentally illness which is like making fun of blind people in my book.

    • katy

      I was going to write almost the exact same thing, kt.
      My friend and I have been going back and forth writing essays about this exact sentiment. It’s been eye-opening, cathartic an just plain awesome.

      Also the lighthouse thing made me laugh out loud. I love this article.

  • Tommy Gorgeous

    1) In general, men and women over-use the word “crazy” to describe women who are less than stoic regarding their feelings.
    2) Designating someone as “crazy” is highly marginalizing. Everything they do and say is automatically suspect from that moment forward.
    3) “Crazy” covers too much ground and is used to refer to anything outside of the norm of one’s experience. For instance, I make funny faces to make my nephew laugh and he thinks I’m crazy.
    4) Again, I believe there is a double-standard in terms of crazy. If a lady didn’t return texts and calls from her dude (ex-dude, WE) and he started pounding on her door, we would assume he’s crazy for not taking a hint and because guys are capable of doing great bodily harm. So can a lady with a taser and a kubaton. It’s dumb for me to bring this up as there are a billion double-standards that are a crap-sandwich for both genders.
    5) I disagree with your assessment of “most women are crazy, but not you, you’re so cool.” It generally means, “I feel like I’m able to communicate with and understand you without layer upon layer of interpretation and subtext.”
    6) A definition of “crazy” is “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” While a double-beejer is a fantastic first date, some amount of guys would wonder if she hasn’t maybe done this sort of thing before and it ended really badly. Personally, I assume I charmed the pants off myself and offer to reciprocate. I’m a giver.
    7) Ted Nugent didn’t explicitly threaten to kill the president but he probably is crazy.
    8) It might just be me but I think the XOJane piece might have been at least a little satirical. Especially the line “God, it’s like a horror movie. RUN, ANONYMOUS SINGLE GUY, RUN!”
    9) Great read, Jennifer. Lots to think about. You’ve helped me move one lady I know from “crazy” to “wildly selfish, willfully neglectful of social convention, fearlessly invasive of personal space and purposefully forgetful of incontrovertible facts.”

    • CaptainScorpio

      Re: the line “God, it’s like a horror movie. RUN, ANONYMOUS SINGLE GUY, RUN!”

      Yeah, I read that as sarcasm.

  • Sam

    100% agreed. As a person with some mental health issues, I seriously hate the word crazy more than almost any other. I’ve been called that by guys before and usually they are just saying, “I don’t understamd you, I won’t try, so to excuse my behavior affecting you, I’ll just label you as crazy.”

    • Jen

      Same here, Sam! It’s fucking awful.

  • Larissa

    I really enjoyed this article, it’s everything I would have said plus some more insights i hadn’t thought about but i’m glad somebody brought to my attention. It gave me lots to think about. But best of all, I actually laughed out loud at my desk over, “Men. They be crazy.” and the lighthouse thing. We may be sense-of-humor twins. Because I thought that shit was hilarious.

  • Michael Hamilton

    cra·zy (kr z ) adj. cra·zi·er, cra·zi·est 1. Affected with madness; insane. 2. Informal Departing from proportion or moderation

    Lots of women depart from both proportion and moderation in relationships. This often manifests itself in inappropriate emotional outbursts.

    Just because women use different language when men do similar things doesn’t make strange behavior appropriate.

    “Women should be able to have feelings and opinions with the patriarchy clamping down! That’s cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!”

    Sure, have it your way, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Under the new rules you can’t call your ex a dick because he said you should wear more makeup, or because he let you know that you’re just like your mother, if he noted that you should really do something about your neck neck fat, or if he suggested you really should have a salad when you went out on a date.

    You can deal with uncomfortable things, right?

    • Tania

      But those are dick moves. Being emotional because a guy won’t reply to your texts and/or phone calls after you blew him twice isn’t crazy, it just means she liked the guy, thought he liked her (he liked his penis in her mouth, at least…), and she’s upset at misreading the situation and hurt that he isn’t interested.

      Most people, men and women, get upset when someone they liked doesn’t reciprocate!

    • Lux

      Um, yeah, I would never date anyone who would say anything like that to me, so….if that’s crazy, sign me up for the institution.

  • Sam

    I don’t think you could have chosen a better picture. That guy looks like the perfect representation of the kind of guy mentioned in the article.

    • Jennifer Wright

      He is smoking 2 brown cigarettes at once, while also telling truths.

  • Katie Everswick

    Emily, who was the first to comment on the piece and is also an editor at xoJane, was being COMPLETELY SARCASTIC in her comment. No one caught that?

    • Jennifer Wright

      SHE WAS!?

      Ohmygoodness.

      I do like the next comment though: “Yeah, if that horror movie is told from the POV of the villain.”

    • Marisa

      Yes! I was hoping someone else caught that/thought that too!

  • Sadako

    I think the female version of “crazy” is “creepy.” Like if a guy you went on a date with and disliked keeps calling or texting, that’s “creepy,” whereas if the genders were flipped it would be “crazy.”

    • Ashley Cardiff

      I think there’s some truth in this.

  • Jen

    When a man calls me “crazy” after being upset about something, well, legitimately upsetting, that’s the first indication that he’s not worth my or any respectable woman’s time.

  • DL

    As interesting as this discussion is, it’s missing one extremely important componont that I haven’t seen discussed: In recent years, the word “crazy” has been ubiquitously used as an incredibly vague adjective. How often do you hear, “Did you see that home run last night? It was CRAZY!” Or “I can’t believe my mother made that much salad on Thanksgiving, she’s CRAZY.” “Isn’t this some CRAZY weather we’re having?” I can go on and on. No, the majority of women aren’t actually crazy. But I don’t believe when men or women are calling the opposite sex “crazy” that they actually mean insane or emotionally unstable, etc. I think they’re simply using an adjective without implying its true definition. I’m guilty of calling many of my ex-girlfriends crazy–never to their faces of course. But whenever I have called them “crazy,” I never meant truly crazy by definition. I think we’re taking the use of the word a little too literally here. Whether or not it’s right to be doing so, that’s a whole other discussion.

  • Leila

    Not to promote a terrible movie, but I think this point was driven home to me in the scene from The Breakup, where he’s complaining about doing the dishes and she’s trying to make a larger point about him wanting to help out despite not liking the chore. He calls her crazy and she’s like “Don’t you call me crazy” This conversation is all approximated as I refuse to see this movie again, ever. The strongest emotion I felt that entire movie was the urge to slug him after that conversation.

    • Tania

      I watched that movie with my sister and two female friends, and the entire time we were all just like “wait, are we supposed to feel sorry for him? Because he’s acting like an entitled jerk.”

      So I agree entirely.

  • Em

    “Crazy’ would be if you did not return her calls for a week and she decided she was a lighthouse.”

    Awesome. Actually this whole article is awesome, and I pretty much wanted to cut and paste the whole thing in here, but, you know, that might be kind of, ahem, crazy.

    Seriously, though, the “she was CRAZY” thing is just as insulting and misogynistic as “God, what’s wrong with you, do you have your period or something?” Yes, that must be it, you fucking idiot. Because I have absolutely no control over my opinions or emotional responses, and you’re totally right, there’s no way I can be taken seriously. Ever.

    Man, it makes a girl want to disembowel someone. Oh, no, wait, maybe I’m just irritated because I have my period. Wait, do I? Am I even irritated, or is it just my crazy old uterus playing tricks on me? Hm. So confusing. Well, one thing’s for sure, at least. I am NOT a lighthouse….

    • alikkaho

      Omg – you’re so right. When men decided to attribute any “unusual” emotion to the female menstrual cycle, they’re the ones being irrational and crazy. I’ve had boyfriends who ignore my rational, logical, complaints as being due to either it being the week before, the week during, or the week after my period. Wait? So that means I’m rational only twenty-five percent of the time…

  • brie

    I hate the fact that it’s acceptable to dismis a woman simply by saying she’s ‘crazy’. Actually, when I was little I felt that being called ‘cute’ had the same effect. I wouldn’t let anybody call me ‘cute’ because I thought it was dismissive and belittling. That went for my parents, too. They, of course, found this adorable.

    Also, if you haven’t, you should totally read “The Yellow Wallpaper” by Charlotte Perkins (http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/YelWal.shtml). It’s all about how men keep women ‘in their place’ by labeling them as crazy or unstable

    • Catie8

      Ditto! Time to break out our copies of Gilbert & Gubar’s /Madwoman in the Attic/ or Showalter’s /The Female Malady/. Being “crazy” has been gendered for FAR too long; after all, “hysteria” is rooted in the Greek root for “hyster,” or uterus. Demonizing (“crazy bitch”) or diminishing (“awww, aren’t you cute when you’re mad?”) women for being rightfully angry is crap. It makes women feel irrational, out of control, and childish, thus turning into a nasty self-fulfilling prophecy.

    • Jennifer Wright

      I just want to second reading The Yellow Wallpaper, because it is amazing.

  • Erin

    I really love this article. That’s what I was thinking when I read the article at XOJane myself. Also, I’ve known some men who similarly dismiss their girlfriends by calling them drama queens or something like that. I’m sorry, confronting you when I find out you’ve been cheating is NOT just me being dramatic.

  • Rozja

    As a 60+ year old man, and having done a few years in group therapy, I would say that the guy is CRAZY, as well as a narsassitic, egotistical asshole. And the “crazy” girl is more sad than crazy. So she likes giving blowjobs; I’ve know a few women who just plain liked doing it (hooray for everyone involved).

    Seems though that maybe she could benefit from discovering (possible with some professional guidance) why she hooked up with a guy like that. There was a woman in group for a time who once said, “I don’t know how, but I always seem to pick the alcoholics”. There are definitely a lot of abusive bone-headed men about, but women keep going out with them. Why? It’s like encouragement. Where’s the benefit in that?

    Being young is/was not easy. And basically, everyone is looking to love, and be loved.

    • JEReich

      In all sincerity: I wish that there were more guys like you out in the world. Rock on!

  • Grace

    At first when I read this I felt bad, because the reason that I say my ex and I broke up is because he was ‘crazy’. Then I remembered the dude heard voices telling him I was cheating on him with my brother, so it’s probably a warrented accusation.

    He has since been diagnosed with schizophrenia and is doing well with meds and therapy. I make this comment in jest but to be serious for a moment, compairing emotional behaviour to mental illness is pretty insulting for all concerned.

  • j

    I think it’s important to recognize that one does have to look out for their own mental health. If you become involved with someone and it becomes clear that their issues may be exacerbating your own, I think it is your right (and possibly responsibility) to terminate that relationship before it has harmful effects on all parties involved.

  • Loligator

    What I mean when I say “Crazy ex” is that she…

    -Killed all 8 of my bonsai trees while I was out of town because I “gave them too much attention.” (found that out after the relationship ended, I thought I was sold dying trees.)

    -Told all her friends we were getting married and then cut herself when I refused to perpetuate the lie.

    -She had her friend “babysit” my cat, telling me that the cat was hit by a car and had run off injured, so that she could “surprise” me with my still living cat on my birthday. (Her friend, not knowing the real reason, asked me how much longer she would have to watch him.)

    -When, because of that, I left her, she made a huge show of pretending to kill herself with a gun that she knew was empty.

    -When I was eventually able to date again, she would stalk my dates, or call my family and ask about them. One time she parked outside my place and waited so she could knock on the door and play a game of coitus-interruptus.

    -And let’s not forget… She was actually diagnosed.

    I’m not justifying the behavior in the original post. And I’m not denying that it’s attitude is pandemic.

    But not all discussion of bad past experiences are unjust or untrue (as is implied by the generalizations made in this article.)

    Not accounting for the unbalance that privilege provides, saying “What men mean when…” Is equally as sexist as “All Women are crazy.”

    Even accounting for it, it’s pretty bad.

    • kt

      Still don’t think calling her “crazy” is ok. She’s still a person, and it’s sad that her relationship with you was so plagued. However, she can’t help her condition and you calling her crazy is akin to calling a one-legged gf crippled–just not that respectful or fair.

    • Maxwell

      If we’re not even going to call crazy people crazy, then why does the word even exist? What good is it to anyone?

      Bitch was crazy. Deal with it.

  • MR

    The man is pretty ungrateful. I once got this no sex oath, before I went to spend two days with a woman, I’d hiked with the weekend before with her friend and my friend, who were going out together. Anyways on the morning of second day I stayed with her, she wanted to take a shower with me and proceeded to masturbate me in the shower. I thought it was a little over the top. But she was a really nice woman, and we had a relationship after, and I was more serious about us than she was in the end. I never thought she was crazy, I guess she felt by doing that she’d keep me interested, but I didn’t need that to be interested in her.

  • Rogue Paladin

    I think men and women are both crazy these days. This article and the article it was in response to are both proof, if you ask me.

    Women keep seeking a commitment or assuming one is there when no such commitments are made, and they also give too much of themselves sexually with the ludicrous assumption that doing so will “seal the deal” when the guy is already up-front about what he is and is not cool with. The lady in that guys story wasn’t crazy, but she was also being incredibly stupid about how she tried getting a guy to be in a serious relationship with her. She kept assuming sexual acts would make the guy interested in who she was as a person; which does the opposite.

    Men keep trying to seduce women sexually while not giving thought at all to the emotional connections made with or by women, then are stupidly arrogant to think that a woman is crazy simply for even wanting that connection and commitment, and are totally oblivious to the benefits of being in a serious, long-term relationship with someone. The guy writing the article this article was in response to was a complete tool. He should have followed his gut and not let her go down on him or anything, not even once. She wasn’t crazy, he was asinine and disgustingly arrogant.

    Girls need to stop giving it up so easily if they really want a serious relationship and actually pay attention to what the guy is saying about his relationship boundaries, while guys need to grow up, stop assuming sex is all there is to have with a woman, and let go of all the “relationships are evil” crap. Both sides are just feeding off each other in an endless cycle of stupidity.

    • Arse Politico

      wow. slutshaming in response to calling out slutshaming.
      it’s like nobody needed to write any articles.

  • yazmin

    ok so its not plagiarism, and its good that the angle is getting a wider read on the internet. BUT this piece totally propagates your own ideas I love jezebel, but I do think this is wack.

    http://jezebel.com/5903793/on-calling-women-crazy

    • Jenna

      It’s hardly “wack” that two people who blog about (dumb) stuff would blog about the same (dumb) article. Besides, Jen and I are friends. You really think I could stand to look her in the eye if I “propagated [her] own ideas” without attribution? My post was in the can since Friday morning.

      Plagiarism is one hell of an accusation. You gonna back that azz up?

      Didn’t think so.

    • Jennifer Wright

      Oh, I’m backing Jenna up. As she notes – we are friends. And perhaps a major reason we are friends is because we would read articles like this and come to similar conclusions about how absurd they are. And I liked that article!

      Also, Jenna, you owe me a drink for all the plagiarism.

    • Bob

      Of course the two pretty women in the blogosphere are friends. You are perpetuating stereotypes with your friendship.

    • Mark Dantzler

      To be fair, Jezebel does have a patent on trafficking in mock outrage. I think an apology is in order. Or at the very least letting you borrow season one of Portlandia.

    • Sadako

      Jezebel has the patent on mock outrage. But who has the one on “The point? You missed it?” Thegloss should get in on that one.

  • Ross

    I think the media (and by implication, society) is very quick to pathologize women–they point to women’s insecurities about weight, looks, age, eating habits, women’s eating disorders, “women who love too much”, etc. as evidence of female pathologies. But when men act out pathologically, through violence, or promiscuity, or this weird theatrical male posturing, it’s either written off as some guy thing or it’s the result of a larger social problem. It’s never about male pathology. Nobody points to the fact that nearly all rapists, serial killers, and terrorists are male and then says “Look at how neurotic and damaged men are.” I don’t really believe that women are necessarily more neurotic than men, or that turning the same hyper-critical lens toward men would be helpful, but the conversation here is nowhere near balanced. We’re socialized to see all women as potentially unreasonable. It’s no surprise that so many young men pull the “crazy” card when they don’t get their own way (and why so many women take the bait).

  • Amy

    I spent most of my first real relationship doing my best to PLAY IT COOL because his ex was CRAZY. I found myself 2 years later in a heavily emotionally abusive relationship. Girls just shouldn’t be expected to walk on eggshells for assholes.

    • Lola

      You basically just described my first relationship! The thing was he also always loved labeling me as “too sensitive” when he said something to offend me and i would get upset.

  • Miranda

    I can’t thank you enough for this article. I’ve seen a few now written on this subject but it really does need to be said as much as possible, because people *still* don’t seem to get that expressing emotions does not equal “crazy”. So thank you. Seriously.

  • Loligator

    Re: kt.

    I’m under no obligation to be tender with the reputations or memories of those who have abused me in life. She wasn’t an incompetent who was irresponsible for her actions, she functioned in society.
    I don’t think that defining her actions as “crazy” would put me in the bad graces of too many people, so long as I accept responsibility for my part in being blinded by her.

    Generally I don’t talk about any of my exes, but what I meant with my comment, was that if I were to talk about her, it wouldn’t be under false pretenses as is implied in this article.
    Some men actually have exes who fit the dictionary definition…

    “Mentally deranged, esp. as manifested in a wild or aggressive way”

    Could I be more sensitive and “fair” than that, yes. But I am not undeserving of some nostalgic rancor, and wouldn’t pursue a relationship with a prospect who thought I was.

  • RM

    HELLZ YEAH!

  • Gaidig

    I absolutely love this article, and it’s terrible for women to be dismissed as “crazy” for having a natural emotional reaction, but I will say that toning it down isn’t always a bad thing, and doesn’t necessarily make an emotional person lose their personality. My boyfriend is very calm and deals with crises adeptly. Since I have been dating him, I have occasionally been able to diffuse extremely emotionally charged situations by thinking about how he would deal with them, calming myself down, and confronting the situation from a centered place of strength. That doesn’t mean that I dismiss or submerge my emotions, just that finding a way to communicate better about emotion is a good thing, and shouldn’t be dismissed as abandoning one’s personality.

  • What?Huh?

    This is going to be one of those articles that future feminists read and say “Wow, mom, you guys were insane…”

    The dude wasn’t even talking about an ex, he was talking about a hookup. Don’t pretend like us ladies don’t talk crap about hookups. Every aspect of a mans personality and physique is put on the chopping block during girl time.

  • Monty

    So, is it misogynist of saying my ex is crazy because she tried to run me over with her car when we broke up? I’m pretty sure if a man did this, he would be called crazy.

    • k

      No, dickhead. That IS crazy. If she threw a loaf of bread at you and called you an asshole for dumping her, that’s NOT crazy. Stop trolling.

    • k

      No, dickhead, that IS crazy. Throwing a loaf of bread at you and calling you an asshole for dumping her is NOT crazy.

  • New to the US

    I arrived in the US a year ago and I think that women here are fed an unhealthy media diet of how a perfect man should behave and the fairytale relationship that they deserve.

    This leads to a lot of self-indulgent, childish behaviour that would be seen as totally unadult and unacceptable in the UK.

    No doubt many immature guys write off perfectly reasonable female behaviour as ‘crazy’ when in fact they are acting like a jerk. But *everyone* should be striving to act in a non-neurotic/obsessive/self-indulgent way. I’ve seen more of that type of behaviour here in 1 year than in 10 at home.

  • BulletDodger

    I would totally go so far as to call my last ex crazy. We broke up in part because our open relationship wasn’t working (the one he insisted on and I agreed to because I thought I was being cool and open-minded to potentially eye-opening experiences that really turned out not to be). Briefly: the new, other woman was way too emotionally attached and he wouldn’t leave her to work on our other issues. We tried to be amicable afterward but that quickly deteriorated when he found out I was dating an acquaintance the same day I found out he was engaged (yes, engaged) to this other woman– a month after we broke up!

    My favorite part is, he thinks I am the crazy one, because I willfully dated someone who *reminded* him of another guy he no longer speaks to. That “reminder” is enough evidence to convince him I am the manipulative, evil person who would intentionally– horror of all horrors– date an almost random other person.

    • sandra

      Jesus. Sounds like one of my ex’s. When we were dating, he told me all these stories about how “insane” and “crazy” his ex was… Well, his ex and i became friends (without me even realizing who she actually was)… Pretty good friends actually… And then one day he just broke up with me and was like “you’re friends with my ex. I can no longer date you. If that’s the people you want to associate with, I don’t want you in my life.”… i’ve never once had a problem with her, she’s actually a really sweet person who’s just really quiet and doesn’t like to go out a lot (where-as HE was a party animal who always got mad when she didn’t want to go out with him… Which I believe, because I had the same experience with him during our relationship). Her and I are still really good friends… But the last time I talked to any of our mutual friends, he was apparently running around calling me crazy, saying I broke up with him, and was doing all this other stuff…

      Some men are just ridiculous.

  • Connor

    My ex was crazy. She’s in jail now. My other ex was also crazy; she stabbed me with a pen. My NEXT ex dated me for three months before she told me she actually lived four states away and was only here for a short time. All I’m saying is sometimes it actually is the woman :)

    • kw

      And do tell, dear sir, what the common denominator is here….

    • IcedChai

      Yeah, what the hell did you do to drive these women around the bend? Holy shit.

    • Kou

      Sometimes people is crazy (doing crazy things tha get you in jail, or stabbing you with a pen -i guess-), sometimes they do irrational things for many reasons (like dating you for 3 months when she wasn’t living there).
      The bottom line of this article is not that all women are sane and it is categorically impossible to date a crazy lady. They exist. But just having emotions, and having human reactions, like anger, sadness, insecurity, etc., doesn’t make a person crazy.
      The important thing to acknowledge here, is that, a human being should not be bendable to someone else’s wishes. It’s not really a matter for you to try to prove that crazy people DO exist in the world.

    • sarahem013

      or…you are mentally unstable therefore you attract mentally unstable women.

  • unqualified

    I agree entirely with the article, being a man who has dated a number of women. A bunch of them were nice and normal, some of them were weird, a few were driven weird by our dysfunctions, one was actually clinically ill, and sometimes I was an asshole. Because that’s the male equivalent of this “crazy” label: asshole. It’s totally the go-to “what’s with that guy” term. Fair enough.
    But Kurt Vonnegut wrote “All men are jerks: all women are psychotic” a long time ago. So.

  • Bryan J

    I’m getting a lot of “women good, men bad” vibes from this article, and it’s based on one complete tool and a chick who read way too much into a one-night stand.

    And then I read the source article. This guy is no tool; he’s brutally honest.

    I know this will win me no friends, but I don’t care: Expecting a relationship via a hookup is CRAZY. PERIOD. Deal with it. The guy can be blamed for taking advantage of the situation only if the woman is incapable of making her own decisions. I’ve known lots of women who could get slobbering drunk and still go home alone, or with the guy of their choosing. She made the choice to ‘take him to the head’, and she hoped it would lead to roses and love and enduring relationships. He treated it as it was; a hookup. And he was honest in saying that he was dating other females! (C’mon misandrists; she immediately says she doesn’t want to be “a piece of ass”, so she knows what she’s doing)

    That’s not to say it doesn’t happen. Every relationship I’ve had that lasted for any length of time started with a hookup. I’m the exception, though (in a lot of ways >:P ).

    In the end, his assessment is fair. Taking advantage of her? C’mon. The comments come dangerously close to calling him a rapist; that is neither fair nor true. The only thing this guy can be punished for is taking the path of least resistance, which he is chastising himself for. With the outcry going on here (and the other site), you’d think the girl in question is the one responding…

    • Sandra

      Uhm… If you buy a chick drinks, take her somewhere, have sex with her, invite her over, etc… These are all acceptable signs of YOU being INTO the woman. The WOMAN is not somehow “crazy” for interpreting these actions correctly. It’s HIS fault because he wasn’t up front with his expectations… You call a woman crazy when you’re up front about expectations, (i/e, you ONLY want a hookup out of this), and she doesn’t get the hint and continues to pursue something other than what you want…. But if you expect nothing more than a hookup, and are not up front about those expectations and do not tell a woman so, then you cannot get mad, angry, etc, and call her crazy for assuming that you going through what is considered “basic courtship actions” means you are interested in her and a potential relationship.

    • sarahem013

      a guy would say this. look, this is not man bad, woman good. but damn, how can you not be aware enough to see that women have been viewed a particular way for a long time, so much worse than men. and don’t pretend to say its not true because you are not a woman. it’s like judging what racism feels like for a minority when you are white. and he’s not being brutally honest. he’s just bitching. there was nothing intelligent in that article. this is typical of men. and if this girl had drinking problems, we have no righht to try to comprehend what was going through her head. nothing proves she was crazy. if she wanted a relationship…that doesn’t constitute crazy. maybe a little unhealthy but not insane. women have got to start standing up for themselves more and unless they are suffering from a true mental disorder that is causing them to act crazy, which we should be sensitive to, then don’t date a man who disrespects you with the word crazy all the time. it’s just some macho shit that makes men feel better about themselves. but go ahead and give the typical unintelligent response. most people don’t try to open their mind and try to really analyze what it feels like on the other side. damn, if women can’t experience a human emotion or fuck up sometime without being called crazy.

  • sarahem013

    some people both men and women can act “crazy” sometime, either mentally unstable, temporarily going through something at the time, but women have got to stop allowing men to generalize them as crazy. we don’t have to be way uptight and bitchy about it, just be more selective of the men you choose and blow them off when they use that word. also, remember that there are so many people, men, out there who will not care what you say, so don’t waste your time on them. it’s the only way to change up the game.

  • britney robinson

    Dated a total jerk who acted like this! Said I was crazy even though he himself was totally off. I don’t think it is fair women are shot down as crazy so quickly when really guys act like jerks! He broke up through a text(after a year together and he is 30) and he expected “normal” “sane” response. After three weeks of hearing his lies and half truths and made up reasons for dumping me via text, I called him a whole bunch of time, because all I wanted was to hear the truth. Well that was the end officially I am now the crazy ex and I don’t give a crap. He could have avoided all of this and just dumped me like a normal person would with a phone call or in person, but truth is he wanted to hurt me, I had mentioned that dumping through a text was hurtful and wrong and I couldn’t take it if someone did that to me so he knew what he was doing.

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  • Boots

    This article writer has never had a crazy ex.