• Tue, Mar 5 2013

Hell Has A ‘Special Place’ For Women Who Don’t Support Taylor Swift — Including Tina Fey & Amy Poehler

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I have voiced my attempted support of Taylor Swift‘s busy little love life and how I feel sometimes, she is a bit demonized for simply doing the same thing countless other artists have done before: dating, breaking up and writing about her breakups. Just about all of my friends hate Taylor Swift, and while I may find most of her music a bit annoying (albeit totally catchy-annoying), I have generally felt that she gets more flack that she deserves for dating fellow famous people and then not keeping it private. However, she keeps doing things lately that are making it harder and harder to defend her actions.* Now, she’s just straight up pissing me off.

In her recent interview with Vanity Fair, Swift did something a bit strange: in addition to answering some of writer Nancy Jo Sales‘ questions herself, she refused to discuss her own love life and instead appointed an anonymous friend to give information on her behalf instead. Weird, right?

Well, the friend shared some stuff that would interest likely Swift’s fans: she and Harry Styles had an “on-again, off-again” relationship and that the pair split the first time after he was captured by tabloids kissing another girl. The source also confirmed Swift’s relationships with Jake GyllenhaalJohn Mayer and Conor Kennedy. With the first two, the friend says, “She was really young and they were in their 30s, and she got really hurt. So it was like ‘That hurt — this won’t. But then it did.”

On that topic, Swift herself says:

“For a female to write about her feelings, and then be portrayed as some clingy, insane, desperate girlfriend in need of making you marry her and have kids with her, I think that’s taking something that potentially should be celebrated — a woman writing about her feelings in a confessional way — that’s taking it and turning it and twisting it into something that is frankly a little sexist.”

You know those people who do stupid things, then come up with incredibly overwrought excuses with entirely too many specifications to be the truth? Yeah… But seriously, the primary difference — as many of our commenters and writers have pointed out — between Swift and most musicians is that she writes songs so absurdly specific that they actually use names and extreme details. Plus, she makes fun of her exes during live performances at awards shows. Wut the wut?

But it’s what the singer said in the interview regarding other women and some humor that held some seriously aggressive (and obnoxious) tones to it.

“You know, Katie Couric is one of my favorite people,” Taylor Swift tells Vanity Fair contributing editor Nancy Jo Sales on the subject of mean girls in general and in response to an incident at this year’s Golden Globes, where Amy Poehler and Tina Fey mocked her highly scrutinized love life. “Because she said to me she had heard a quote that she loved, that said, ‘There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.’”

While I don’t support people being assholes to famous people simply because they’re famous, I do fully support Poehler and Fey being able to playfully poke fun at the love life of somebody who publicly discusses it. Ever notice how people rarely joke about the love lives of Michelle Williams or Natalie Portman or Kevin Spacey? Yeah, that’s because they don’t regularly go around making fun of their past partners whenever possible in front of live audiences. If you can make fun of somebody in a public forum, so can they. Are Fey and Poehler going to that ‘special place in hell’? Well, if they are, future hell just got a whole lot more hilarious.

Oh, and the other thing that’s totally weird that no media outlet has seemed to notice: that anonymous source claims Harry Styles ‘chased’ Swift for a year, then was caught kissing that girl, and then “after Swift ended the relationship, he pursued her for the better part of a year until she finally took him back.” Styles, for the record, literally just turned 19 last month. If the pair broke up in January after nearly two years of this ‘pursuit,’ doesn’t that mean he was 16 when it started? Please tell me I am not the only one who is grossed out by this. Yes, that means she was just 21, but as somebody who’s 23, I am pretty sure that during my senior year of college, I would not be caught in this type of predicament with a high school student.

(Note: obviously, Swift is a successful, wealthy and semi-beloved performer who does not need my ‘help,’ but I do think it’s always worth noting when women’s relationships are seemingly treated with more scrutiny than men’s.)

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  • http://thegloss.com/ Ashley Cardiff

    Got to the bit about Fey and Poehler and just scrolled down here immediately to say:

    UNACCEPTABLE.

  • Eileen

    As usual…no. It would be one thing if she wrote songs about things other than romance once in awhile. But if the only “feelings” you ever write about are teenage-sounding romances (when you’re 23), then yeah, you’re going to sound like a “desperate girlfriend” type. You know what’s sexist? That your singles are never about your best female friend.

    • Alyssa Hayes

      in case you haven’t noticed, or are just too stupid to pay attention, one of her songs is about her MOM, one of her songs is about growing up, one of her songs she wrote for her band and one of her songs is about saying she forgives kanye west (though for the life of me, i can’t figure out why she would forgive that jerk). so, you know what, i happen to be taylor swift’s biggest fan, and i don’t appreciate you making false accusations.

    • Cee

      Awww Taylor’s fans are just as nice as her. Good on you for teaching us the nice values Taylor has taught you. You sure are making us like her SO much more!
      There’s a special place in heaven for Taylor Swift, who calls women whores and for her fans, who calls other women idiots and too stupid, yes?
      The hypocrisy is now spreading!

    • Alyssa Hayes

      wow, i guess everyone is going there, because i bet you that on any given day, someone is calling a woman a whore. don’t you have anything better to do than criticizing someone you’ve never even met?

    • http://www.facebook.com/sameurysm Samantha Escobar

      Please tell me you realize the irony of the last sentence in that comment. Please.

    • Alyssa Hayes

      yes, i do.

    • Cee

      So because everyone does it its okay?
      Don’t YOU have anything better to do than criticizing someone YOU’VE never met?

    • Alyssa Hayes

      i’m not saying it’s ok. and, as a matter of fact, i happen to be defending my favorite celebrity.

    • Eileen

      I don’t seek out Taylor Swift; I only hear what gets played on the radio. That’s why I said “singles,” not “songs.”

    • G

      Wow Taylor, calm the f down! Stop calling people stupid while making comments with a 12 year old’s mentality. Great, I now owe an apology to 12 year old for linking them to you.

  • Cee

    Well we’ll see you there in that special place in hell, Taylor after you blasted and slut shamed Camilla Belle in one of your songs. Also You Belong with Me also slut shames a bit. Lastly, wouldn’t you wishing women would go to hell be talking smack too, hm?

    • http://thegloss.com/ Ashley Cardiff

      “She’s not a saint, and she’s not what you thinkShe’s an actress, whoaShe’s better known for the things that she doesOn the mattress, whoa”

      …is the very definition of not helping other women.

      Jerk.

    • Cee

      I’m always gonna champion this one for Camilla because..eyebrows and hypocrisy

    • http://thegloss.com/ Ashley Cardiff

      Preternaturally good eyebrows.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sameurysm Samantha Escobar

      It is shocking how nice her eyebrows are, it really is.

      Also, I had never read those lyrics before now. I AM DISPLEASED FURTHER.

    • http://twitter.com/KathrynDyan Katy Hearne

      I have googled this Camilla woman thinking “seriously. how good can eyebrows be?” I am surprised. Very good eyebrows.

    • Alyssa Hayes

      she was talking about a specific person, you idiot.

    • http://thegloss.com/ Ashley Cardiff

      She was still slut-shaming–I don’t see how the fact she had a specific target changes anything…?

      But maybe that because I am idiot.

    • Alyssa Hayes

      oh yes, because you’re a perfect human being who would never get mad at someone who stole your boyfriend. my mistake.

    • http://thegloss.com/ Ashley Cardiff

      I think we are idiots together!

    • Alyssa Hayes

      i refuse to be grouped with you. i saw your article.

    • http://twitter.com/KathrynDyan Katy Hearne

      … whiich article did she write? because it wasn’t this one.
      Also, I don’t know who many of these people are (besides tina, amy & taylor of course (yes, we’re all on first name basis here)) but I am googling. I am learning.
      but for realz. “special place in hell”. Taylor, darling. For realz (I know I’ve said that already, but it bears repeating) your reputation is sharply declining as it is. Do you really need to go & damn the most loved gal pals of hollywood? C’mon, Swift. Get your head in the damn game.

    • http://thegloss.com/ Ashley Cardiff

      I’m actually curious to know what article I have written!

    • Cee

      Oh dear, someone STOLE her boyfriend?! Against his will?! Were all the smiles with evil Camilla truly a cry for help and we missed them?! Is that why the group split up because he was STOLEN?!
      It is not okay to get mad at someone for dating your boyfriend or former boyfriend. Why get mad at her? Camilla didn’t break any promises to Taylor, it was Joe who did, if he did in fact cheat.

      She already called him out on it (again, if he did). And, IF HE DID, good on her for calling him out BUT calling Camilla a whore…in public..for the whole world to hear and know is uncalled for.

      How can she go around saying that there is a special place in hell for women that talk about other women, SPECIFICALLY about talking about or making fun of women’s dating habits and the idea that the way they date makes them promiscuous when she is doing the same? And lets keep in mind that she was not even making fun, she is straight out calling a woman a whore.

    • Alyssa Hayes

      i don’t remember her calling camilla a whore. and people call women whores all the time! in fact, people keep calling taylor swift a whore. idiots.

    • gemma

      There’s a vast difference between someone who gets upset over the loss of a lover and someone who intentionally, publicly humiliates another woman for dating their ex.

    • Tusconian

      That doesn’t really make it okay. It seems, in combination with her comments here, that it’s okay to be nasty to other women for their choices….as long as they’re not Taylor Swift. Or, it’s okay to be cruel to girls who have sex (and have dark hair), but not girls who make a big flippety deal about how much sex they’re not having (and have blonde hair). In fact, I think it makes it worse, just based on how people are. Someone can say “all women who have premarital sex are terrible” and most of those women will not even care, and everyone assumes the speaker is some sheltered idiot who doesn’t even know what they’re talking about. Attacking someone as an individual is more hurtful, and has more meaning to both the target and the attacker.

  • http://www.facebook.com/katrihaas Katri Haas

    Interesting that Taylor wants to talk about the sisterhood now since she refuses to identify as a feminist. Good lord, she needs to grow up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mariliis.alviste Mari-Liis Alviste

    TRUE!

  • Alyssa Hayes

    excuse me, but taylor swift only uses a name in ONE of her songs, “Dear John”. yes, i realize that was supposed to be like a dear john letter, but that song WAS about john mayer. and that bastard deserved it. I am a strong supporter of taylor swift.

    • amy teill

      I really hope you are either a troll, or a six year old with internet access and relatively good typing skills (for a six year old). Because every comment you’ve made on this article is mind-numbingly stupid, it’s really hard for me to believe someone this frustratingly idiotic could even find a website like The Gloss.

    • http://www.facebook.com/karen.valdivia Karen Valdivia

      *standing ovation*

  • Linda

    You are all crazy!!! Who cares and go on with your boring lives. Taylor rules!!!

  • Boosker

    Damn y’all, Alyssa feels VERY strongly about Taylor Swift. I guess I can relate. If someone criticized Dolly Parton, I would cut them; however, Dolly Parton would never damn Amy Poehler and Tina Fey to hell. She’d laugh off their awesome jokes like a champ and then send them a hand crafted, bedazzled jean jacket.

    • G

      Well, that’s because Dolly is a true lady!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RG2AOE66PESVP5K53EP5HKGNFA A.M

    Great article. Personally, I’d rather be in hell with Fey and Poehler than in heaven with Taylor Swift…because we all know Taylor is, like, so perfect and has never, ever slut-shamed, exploited, victimized, or insulted anyone and will definitely get into heaven.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewMcVeagh Matthew McVeagh

    I’ve got a different angle here. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT. In essence they are no more important than anyone else, but they are treated as specially important by supporters and detractors alike. The only public significance to what this woman does or any of the other celebrities interacting with her is what effect it has on people in general – e.g. if it encourages new behaviour in ‘ordinary’ people that they wouldn’t otherwise have had. An example is recent concern over the effect Rihanna’s forgiving and support of Chris Brown will have on young women and girls that look up to her. Personally I don’t think there should be any ‘celebrity’, hero-worship or idolising but if there is then it makes sense to care about what effect celebrities have on culture and public behaviour. But that’s the limit of it, otherwise Taylor Swift’s antics are a matter for her friends and anyone who actually knows her not everyone else.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sameurysm Samantha Escobar

      While I understand what you’re saying, we’re kind of a news site and therefore obligated to report news people want to read, even when it seems trivial or banal.

    • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewMcVeagh Matthew McVeagh

      Mmm. I guess. Altho there is a vast amount of news out there that potentially could be covered, and choices and priorities have to be made, and it could be said that repeating types of news adds to the appearance that people want to read them which makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy etc. I mean, this is not *just* a news site, it isn’t going to just pass on any news and from a neutral perspective, it has certain values and contexts which are going to determine the choices.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sameurysm Samantha Escobar

      We do beauty, fashion, feminism and dating. Yes, there are tons of news stories related to these topics that we could cover, but again, we cover what people want to read most with regard to them. Additionally, our coverage also includes quite a bit of gender perspectives, not simply the facts themselves.

  • gemma

    I do believe Taylor Swift is THE WORST. She has little to no talent in my opinion with absolutely inane lyrics. This is our role model? I too am embarrassed to realize she’s my age. Get these girls some Kathleen Hanna.

  • Amanda

    All of this Taylor Swift hate is so annoying. I’m not a fan of her, but seriously, all this hate and shit talking makes you no better than her.

  • http://www.facebook.com/karen.valdivia Karen Valdivia

    I think the problem with Taylor Swift is that she bullies people (ex boyfriends and new girlfriends of said exes) yet doesn’t want anybody to bully her.

    Also, her approach. Taylor goes back all the time to her exes, won’t stop making songs about them, won’t stop shaming them even on stage, won’t stop her hypocritical act of “look how pure, nice and a good girl I am. Now, he over there, is a monster who broke my heart. Behead him!!”

    You are doing it wrong, darling! When you go through a break up you mourn, you mature, you learn from your mistakes, you get over it, you repeat, but you don’t bash your exes because then you give everybody permission to be mean to you, since you started it all.

    If she complaints that women should always help other women, well, sometimes to have to be harsh to someone you care about so they can change their ways and stop hurting themselves.

  • Eileen

    …and then Chelsea Handler said something, and I was reluctantly on Taylor Swift’s side again, because seriously, who the fuck’s business is it if she is a virgin or just doesn’t want to sleep with the men she’s casually dating?

  • boobigotem

    You’ve lost your woman card on this one

  • KC

    Into the fray with something fun! I believe this quote is originally from Madeleine Albright. I heard her mention it in a totes awesome TedTalk. She’s the coolest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dani.l.rebel Dani L. Rebel

    She sounds passive-aggressive to me. It’s getting annoying.