• Mon, Mar 18 - 11:29 am ET

Rapists Aren’t Victims

candy crowley

In perhaps the most bizarre possible twist to the Steubenville rape story the rapists have become seen as these bright, excellent young men who have sadly had their lives destroyed. Why did they have their lives destroyed? Why do they have to suffer this way? Why can’t they go on to great colleges and play football and just be great, like tigers?

Because they raped someone.

People seem to forget that they are having their lives destroyed because they raped someone and made a videotape laughing about it, which is traditionally something that has a great tendency to destroy lives.

Here is the video, so you can remember why their lives are being destroyed:

Right, their lives are seemingly being destroyed because they are pretty horrible people.

Though CNN correspondents Paul Callan and Candy Crowley and Poppy Harlow don’t seem to think so! Harlow remarks:

I’ve never experienced anything like it, Candy. It was incredibly emotional, incredibly difficult, even for an outsider like me, to watch what happened as these two young men that had such promising futures — star football players, very good students — literally watched as they believed their lives fell apart…when that sentence came down, [Ma'lik] collapsed in the arms of his attorney…He said to him, ‘My life is over. No one is going to want me now.’ Very serious crime here, both found guilty of raping the sixteen-year-old girl at a series of parties back in August. Alcohol fueled parties; alcohol is a huge part of this.

Well, yes and no, Yes, alcohol does cause people to make some poor decisions. However, having a few beers does not generally cause people to decide to rape someone and then laugh about it remorselessly. It’s astonishing the number of drunk men I’ve been around who have not attempted to rape me. If that were the natural consequence of drinking alcohol, parties would be very different affairs, and ones that no one woman in the world would attend.

Crowley then sadly ponders:

You know, Paul, a sixteen-year-old now just sobbing in court, regardless of what big football players they are, the other one just seventeen, a sixteen year old victim, they still sound like sixteen-year-olds… The thing is, what’s the lasting effect, though, on two young men being found guilty in juvenile court of rape, essentially?

How sad that he is sobbing! Seeing people cry is upsetting, except when it a reasonable response to the fact that they raped someone.

Paul responds:

Well, you know, Candy, we’ve seen here a courtroom drenched in tears and tragedy…. The most severe thing with these young men is being labeled as registered sex offenders. That label is now placed on them by Ohio law…That will haunt them for the rest of their lives. Employers, when looking up their background, will see that they’re registered sex offenders. When they move into a new neighborhood and somebody goes on the Internet, where these things are posted, neighbors will know that they are registered sex offenders.

Yes. They are being labeled sex offenders because they are sex offenders. That is because they raped someone and took photos of the event. That is not because we are engaged in a conspiracy to unjustly persecute football players and good students. That was not a clerical error on the part of the judicial system.

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  • Ana

    THANK YOU!

  • Maggie

    Hear, hear! Maybe those two boys should have thought about their futures before CHOOSING, because they made the choice, to rape that poor girl. I don’t see anyone lamenting about how the real victim was an A student, a good athlete, and how her future has been affected by the attack. It’s disgusting that people are sympathizing with convicted rapists – would they have the same reaction if these boys were 5 years older? Doubtful.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Maker/653746609 Tom Maker

    Wrong….that little harlot should NOT have gotten drunk….should NOT have adorned provocative clothing, and should NOT have dated a group of macho men. She is CERTAINLY 90% to blame.

    • Maggie

      So do you believe that within all men lies a rapist just waiting for a young, drunk, unsuspecting victim to be unleashed? You need to realize that these boys CHOSE to rape her. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, the victim did has anything to do with why she was raped. I feel very, very sorry for any women that have to deal with you on a regular basis, misogynistic asshole.

    • Holden17c

      I will be kind and assume you are being wickedly sarcastic, although you are not doing it well.

    • djmarak

      Tom, you are a horrible person. Your line of reasoning is why women in other countries can’t get educations, have to cover their faces, can’t leave the house without an escort. Is that what you want in America? If you have so little control of your own body that you wouldn’t be able to stop yourself from raping and humiliating a defenseless person NO MATTER HOW they got in that situation, then you don’t deserve to be part of our society.

    • http://twitter.com/KathrynDyan Katy Hearne

      Of course there is always someone on these message boards who says something like this. & I’m sure on gay marriage you probably say something super quick like “adam & eve, not adam & steve”. Ok, sure dude. She got drunk & passed out which is a dumb thing to do, but who hasn’t done dumb things? Who hasn’t worn short shorts & gone to parties & drank too much. Everyone. Everyone has done that. But as the article so aptly points out- if parties were a place for rapers to rape… no one would go to them. Flawed logic.

    • JennyWren

      Pretty much. People claiming that “nice girls” (because presumably “bad girls” deserve to get raped?) don’t go out at 16 years old and occasionally drink too much than is good for them are either incredibly naive or in deep, deep denial. Also, can you imagine this response if the gender was reversed? If a young guy went out with a group of football players and got raped by them while passed out, no-one on earth would be claiming he was a little slut who knew what he was getting into.

    • http://twitter.com/KathrynDyan Katy Hearne

      I hadn’t even thought of that (as you often don’t in these cases). Because young men pass out at parties just as often as young women. If one of the boys had passed out & been “digitally penetrated” (ugh) there would have been immediate repercussions & no one would have been trying to protect the guilty parties! (I bet)

    • JennyWren

      Although I’d bet a lot of such cases do occur and the victims are too ashamed to come forward (as with women). I think the difference is that no-one would suggest he’d invited such attention. Our society has such messed-up attitudes about sexual violence. Male rape victims are framed as being weak and female victims are treated like whores.

    • jon

      Fail troll is fail

    • Jaclyn

      I’m sick and tired of hearing that this girl deserved this for drinking or putting herself in this position. Several years ago, I was struggling with anemia and an electrolyte issue, but before I knew this, I drank two glasses of wine and completely lost control of myself. My male companion, a great friend, took wonderful care of me. He certainly did not rape me, although, by you’re reasoning, I deserved to be raped, depending on my attire. Would you feel differently if this girl had been in a diabetic coma or suffering from some other health issue? The bottom line is, that she was vulnerable and these two monsters took advantage of that fact.

      I certainly hope that you pass out and are gang raped one day by a group of large men. At the very least, I hope you never produce heirs.

    • gemma

      great post until the end. no one deserves to be raped. NO ONE. that’s a horrible thing to hope. that girl didn’t deserve it and that man doesn’t deserve it no matter how horrible and ignorant he is. rape is never deserved.

    • anna

      you realize you just said someone deserved rape, just like tom did?

    • libba

      *facepalm* so he deserves to get raped because he thinks the rape victim deserved it? so by that logic don’t you deserved to get raped because you think he needs to get raped?
      you were doing so well until that part. let’s end the idea NOW, that anyone deserves rape.
      NO ONE DESERVES RAPE. NO ONE IS ASKING FOR IT. YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE RAPED, EVER.

    • AA

      I think the commenters point with her final reply is that if he thinks its really no big deal as ‘she invited it then if it happened to him, he must have wanted it too and that SHOULD be no big deal, right?! I think trying to get him to put himself into that same position. But…ultimately no one should be raped!

    • stevetacitus

      “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth just makes the whole world blind and toothless.” –Gandhi

    • Alyssa

      you are what is wrong with society today.

    • http://www.facebook.com/martindeansloan MartinDean Sloan

      Tom – You are of the ILK this world needs to be rid of!! The only wrong people are those who keep saying women should learn how not to get raped…REALLY? Are you really fucking serious? That puts your head up through the wacka mole hole now don’t it! YOU are what’s wrong! TRY teaching the men “DON”T RAPE!!!” IDIOT! Men rape men too ya know! So, your mom goes to a dinner party drinks one too many and gets raped by the entire male attendees according to you it her fault…Really? Seriously? You are that stupid…

  • sherry_b

    what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck i cant even read all of this what the fuck. my first (and only, really) thought/feeling upon reading the original piece of news was that these people are the worst possible example of humanity and are worthy of nothing and basically..a black abyss of rage overcame (and is overcoming) me because the only way i can think to react is to wish them a life of awful, horrible pain with no joy, or sympathy or hope or empathy or love or beauty ever and the sentence theyve been given is not NEARLY enough but it’s something but THIS? i cant even stay coherent. i cant believe this is happening. i literally cannot continue typing. what the fuck.

  • http://twitter.com/KathrynDyan Katy Hearne

    Quick question & I’m just wondering: were the two convicted in that horrible video? (ugh. if you haven’t watched it: don’t. it made me so sick. it made me call my teenage brother & make sure he knows how not to be a dick) I know the main guy- who was attending ohio state on a athletic scholarship – has been kicked out of school, but I wasn’t aware the two rapist were actually in it. ugh. makes it even worse

    • Maggie

      No, they weren’t. One of the boys present when that video was made was forced to testify but was granted immunity from prosecution so he would tell the truth without fear of getting in trouble, which is a whole other problem. Michael Nodianos, the sicko who does all the talking, wasn’t even called to testify. However, they are starting work on a Grand Jury hearing to try and take more of the witnesses to court and charge them for knowing about the rape and not reporting it but rather sharing those disgusting photos and video, i.e. the perverts who WATCHED Jane Doe get raped and did nothing about it.

  • Gina

    This whole story is incredibly sickening. I have no grasp on how anyone could think the boys were remotely justified in taking advantage of the poor girl or how anyone could blame her for being raped. Rapists rape.

    What makes me especially sick is people defending the boys by saying they’re just children, their brains aren’t fully developed yet etc. Um, they are 16 and 17, that is not toddler age where they’ve never heard news or read a book and they SURE AS FUCK knew what they did was wrong. (Also, toddlers don’t rape either) If they didn’t know that one should not rape anyone, let alone a passed-out human being, they are assholes and education + parents have failed them miserably.
    I could ramble about this all day, it just makes me so angry.

    Also, the punishment isn’t even remotely adequate. 1 year? Are you fucking kidding me? That has got to be a joke.
    I feel for the girl and I hope she will be able to put this behind her and not suffer any further. I don’t even want to get started on the assholes who went on twitter to berate her and insult her and THREAT her for standing up for herself and telling prosecutors about the horrible things the rapists did to her. Rapists don’t deserve sympathy in my book, but she does.

    • http://www.facebook.com/karen.valdivia Karen Valdivia

      I totally agree with you. They KNEW what the hell they where doing, they KNEW that she had passed out, they KNEW they were RAPING HER. And they were impertinent enough to tape it. They were BRAGGING about the rape.

      Should we pitty them? HELL NO. They took all those decisions and now they have to face them. They are minors, yeah, but they were fully aware of what were they doing. Not alcohol nor age is an excuse for their behaviour.

      I hope the poor girl gets her life back on track after this and recovers from the trauma. And all the people threatening her, they are just as sick as her rapists.

  • Erin

    Thank you for writing this article. How the media is spinning this is disgusting. Way to encourage other young women to not come forward when they are victims of rape or sexual assault. I don’t feel sorry for those boys at all. They are more than old enough to be aware of their actions and they now get to deal with the consequences (as minimum as those consequences may be).

  • MR

    They got off way too light. They are the victors not the victims. It’s twisted perspectives like this that cause me never to be a liberal. This is not justice.

    • Gina

      This has nothing to do with being liberal or not. I consider myself quite liberal and I find what these students did quite disgusting, as I stated in an earlier comment. Being liberal doesn’t equate to not wanting adequate punishment for rapists.

  • stevetacitus

    How the media is spinning this is shameful, but sadly that isn’t the half of it! Check out this article about how the victim is now receiving death threats from the the teenage girls–from GIRLS yet in her own community!
    http://raniakhalek.com/2013/03/18/steubenville-rape-victim-receiving-death-threats/
    O Tempora O Mores!

  • Emy

    I am a multiple rape survivor, at 18 and 21, and my life is not ruined. Some days are shitty, and some days it hurts like hell. But my life isn’t ruined. Being a registered sex offender ruins someones life, without exception. Regardless of if that rapist changes for the better, as you allow that they may, they are a registered sex offender forever. Black-and-white judgements and rulings like this, where the court and the media and the readers of that media say “Rapist. Victim.” and then get in awful rages about how the rapists lives are ruined by the victim’s pursuing justice, and then that victim has to deal with being called a whoreish hyperbolic liar is the EXACT reason why I did not pursue justice in either case. I feel that my life would have been inordinately more “ruined” by being labeled as a victim by the court or by the media, or worse, as this survivor has, as in any way at fault, a tattle-tale, a liar. I didn’t want revenge because I don’t want to hurt someone like they hurt me, or less than they hurt me, or more than they hurt me. I want them to be educated and to grow into better people who know what happy, good, consensual, respectful sex (and respectful living) is, and to be given a chance to lead a good, fulfilling life again. In instances of rape that are not violent (both of mine were not), and especially those in which the perpetrators are minors, I honestly feel that more can be accomplished FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL through exhaustive court-mandated sex and sensitivity education, probation, and mandatory volunteer hours- rehabilitation- than through labels and punitive measures. As to which method works better as a SOCIETAL deterrent of rape, it’s hard to say. This is my personal opinion, but it comes from a perspective of intimate personal experience, so I felt I should offer it in the discussion.

    • AA

      So, Emy…. so happy that you are doing well most of the time……because you did not report your rapes are those people getting the help they need? Do you think your “forgiveness” is helping them? I agree that we should be offering all men/women who have transgressed into the kind of behavior education, volunteering hours while they are being restrained in prison is the answer (to protect the rest of us out here). Maybe if one of your rapist had been caught and punished (earlier, as he most likely always has the rage/control/anger issues and has done it before) then he would not have done this to you….or his next victim might have been spared.

    • http://profiles.google.com/elhoward El Howard

      While I agree that revenge is never a valid reason to “pursue justice”, preventing the abuse that happened to you from happening to others IS a very valid reason. In the past, we tended to treat those who committed heinous crimes especially harsh so that they would “serve as an example” to discourage others from doing the same. How sickening that now we have apologists that try to make us feel sorry for the criminals! To me, it looks like some people are now actively encouraging others to follow in the criminals footsteps. Your primary duty is to do whatever you feel will best help you heal, so I wont question your decisions. However, in general I would prefer that more people would have the courage to speak out, in hopes of protecting others from being harmed in the same way.

  • Natalie

    This makes me so mad I don’t even know why I am commenting because I just want to sit those news reporters down like puppies and say NO loudly pointing to the thing they did wrong. Just…. OF COURSE THEY WILL BE REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS THEY ARE SEX OFFENDERS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martha-Guzman/100000072789535 Martha Guzman

    The girl is the VICTIM not these two immature boys who thought they were being cool so wake up all you who think those boys should walk free……they should have gone to prison for a real dose of what happens when one decides to not only break the law but ruin a young girl’s life. They are sex offenders which will remind them daily of a bad choice they made……just because they were football players doesn’t mean they are above the law so do the crime do the time!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/martindeansloan MartinDean Sloan

    Specifically What makes any one think a liberal would be for a rapist? Liberals are for freedoms from such violations not for them. If any group were for rape as it woulds appear, apparently it’s the conservatives… JOCKS and Coaches are inherently conservatives and RepugniTARDS are for the most part the perpetrators of such activities as person attacks on individuals…Romney attacking the Fellow student and laughing about it! AND Bragging about it thinking he’d gain some more votes because of it…So where does that take your head now?

  • kenny

    YUP, I agree. Jail, where they can feel just what it’s like to be raped, too. C YA

  • http://profiles.google.com/elhoward El Howard

    Rape exists because historically it has been a fairly successful strategy to pass on ones genes. This means the only effective way to eventually eliminate rape would be to prevent all rapists and their children from breeding. Sadly, this also implies that pregnancies that result from rape should always be aborted. Am I being too harsh here?

    Also, we really need to restrict use of the term “rape” to apply to non-consensual sexual penetration. Stop using the word by anybody who thinks their rights have been abused, and stop using the word to refer to consensual sex with others that are simply too young to legally give informed consent.

    We constantly send athletes messages that they are the chosen people, that they can do anything they want. Is it any surprise then that so often they think they can get away with rape?

  • Elizabeth

    Amen! Truest thing I’ve read in a long time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!