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High School Senior Kaitlyn Hunt Is Being Charged With A Felony For Her Relationship With Her 15-Year-Old Girlfriend

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A Florida teen named Kaitlyn Hunt could face a felony conviction, jail time, and a lifetime on the sex offenders registry for her relationship with her 15-year-old girlfriend.

Kaitlyn’s case is quickly gathering notoriety for the apparent role anti-gay bias has played in both her initial arrest and the lack of leniency she is facing. According to a Facebook page run by Kaitlyn’s family and supporters, Kaitlyn began dating a female schoolmate at the beginning of the school year, when the younger girl was 14 and she was 17:

“The girls were peers in the same social circle, and as happens every day high schools across America, their friendship eventually developed into more. In September, shortly after Kaitlyn’s 18th birthday, the girls began dating, and they eventually expressed their affection for one another in intimate ways.”

Acording to Kaitlyn’s mother Hunt Smith, the younger girl’s family didn’t like it that their daughter was engaged in a same-sex relationship, and believed Kaitlyn had “made their daughter gay.” After Kaitlyn had turned 18 (the age of consent in Florida), the now 15-year-old girl’s family reported Kaitlyn to the police for statutory rape, and she was arrested and charged with two counts of felony lewd and lascivious battery on a child 12-16, a serious charge which could result in jail time and lifelong sex offender status. Kaitlyn has already been kicked out of school and sent to an “alternative” high school.

Does this seem fair to you? After all, statutory rape laws were intended to protect children from sexual contact with adults, not with other children. It seems like there should be a special law for teens who are close in age, but whose birthdays create a year or two during which their relationship is illegal, no?

Lawmakers thought so too, and that’s why there are “Romeo and Juliet” laws in many states accounting for consensual activities between two teens who are close in age. There is even one in Florida, which reads:

Section 943.04354, F.S. (“Romeo and Juliet” Law):

• Provides petition process for removal of the requirement to register for qualifying offenders who are already on the sex offender registry.
• For offenses that occurred on or after July 1, 2007, allows qualifying offenders to make a motion to the court for relief of the requirement to register.
• Allows a 4 year age gap between the victim and the offender for exclusion of the registration requirements for certain offenses that are consensual.
• Victim must be at least 14 but no older than 17 years of age.
Section 794.05, F.S.:
• Provides an age-gap provision that allows a 16 or 17 year old to consent to consensual conduct with a person 16-23 years of age.

It is unclear whether this law protects same sex couples. But even if it did, it still would not make the two felony charges go away.

Of the countless non-statutory rapes that the police fail to prosecute each year, and the countless consensual relationships that form between high school students who are close in age, doesn’t it seem just a little bit fishy that this is the case the state of Florida has decided to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law? It seems to me like this is a combination of 1.) the clumsiness of the law in general as it relates to teens in consensual relationships, and 2.) homophobia on the part of the younger girl’s family and the state.

Supporters have set up a Facebook page dedicated to spreading the word about Kaitlyn’s case, and online hacktivist collective Anonymous has thrown in its two cents, as well. “Kaitlyn Hunt is a bright young girl who was involved in a consensual, same-sex relationship while both she and her partner were minors,” Anonymous said in a statement. “She has a big future ahead of her and there are people, thousands of people in fact, that have no intention of allowing you to ruin it with your rotten selective enforcement.” Ominous.

(Via HuffPost)

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  • Cee

    http://www.marieclaire.com/world-reports/news/teen-sex-offender

    This story comes to mind. These stupid parents of the younger girl are just about to ruin this girl’s entire life.

    • jacaline

      It never fails to amaze me how adults can be bigger bullies than kids.

    • games

      It never fails to amaze me how warped people are who think it is OK for 15-year-olds to be having sex AT ALL! There are laws for a reason! GROW A BRAIN little girl!

    • Jake Witmer

      Because the swaggering police state is what’s really smart, right?

      …moron

    • dtate399

      The younger girl was 14. That is just too young. She is still emotionally immature. This story is obvously biased towards letting the older girl do what ever she wants as many facts that have come out (no pun intended) are not included above. For instance, the parents of the 14 yo repeatedly asked the 18 yo to stop. There was also a plea deal that the older girl turned down.

      Why so much name calling? Can’t a discussion be had without both sides of the argument going after each other? It sounds like a bunch of midschoolers on here shouting above the other. What happened to basic respect for another?

    • Jake Witmer

      What about the respect it takes to refuse to send an innocent person to prison to have her life ruined? There was once a time when that would have been considered the highest level of respect between two Americans, against an out-of-control puritanistic government.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      She’s not innocent. She broke the law and probably knowingly so.

    • Jake Witmer

      And now the “Christians” like Caroline Redbrook have lined up to cast the first stone! Love thy neighbor! …And keep building enough supermax prisons to put every single American behind bars! We’re the “Land of the Free, and the home of the brave!” We’re already at 2% of the population behind bars! Let’s shoot for 3%! Smart thinking Caroline! You’re really got this “America” thing figured out!

    • Jim S

      Say that when your 15 year old daughter starts having sex with an 18 year old boy. Would we be having the same discussion ? or your 14yo with a 17yo boy, isn’t it the same ? I wouldn’t want that for my daughter. 14 or 15 is too young to be having sex period. And I’m sure when she had an orgasm she was sure it was love with this girl just as she would have if it was a boy. This isn’t about tolerance , it’s about the age of consent, plain and simple.

    • Scott Mortensen

      Yes, but age of consent laws put the legal age for sex well beyond the developement of actual human sexuality. 3 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things, many of you are probably in relationships with much greater age differences. I can’t imagine you consider there to be a wide maturity gap because of that persons additional years of life experience. You might even think the opposite.

    • Jake Witmer

      “Say that when your 15 year old daughter starts having sex with an 18 year old boy. ”

      The horror! OH NO! Teenagers having consensual sex! Quick, build a prison!

      Like H. L. Mencken said:
      “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

    • Frankie

      Innocent? She was 18. The other girl was 14. Felony. They call it jailbait for a reason. Kate even admitted in text messages she knew what she was doing was illegal.

    • Ray Lewis

      What if they were Muslim and dont want to teach their child that being gay is normal?

    • games

      Are YOU normal? REALLY STUPID QUESTION…since NO ONE INVOLVED is muslim!

    • Equality7-2521

      I suspect that’s why he used the words “What if”…

      See, that’s what adults call a “thought experiment”.
      An experiment is like a test of something.
      Thoughts are what you’ll have when you stop being a libtard.

    • games

      I DESPISE ‘what if!” IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and wastes everyone’s time! HELLOOOOOOO! Anybody in there?

    • Jake Witmer

      The person has an Ayn Rand avatar, and a reference to Anthem as their username. They have clearly forgotten more than you will ever know. I suggest that you humbly beg forgiveness from your mental superior.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Being a fan of warped Ayn Rand does not indicate intelligence in my book.

    • Jake Witmer

      Well, in this case, it turns out that you were correct, I was wrong, and this person clearly has zero comprehension of anything Ayn Rand wrote. The warning sign was that she took her username from Rand’s least-developed and worst book. (Which is now being assigned in many government schools.)

    • Equality7-2521

      I am almost *certain* that I’ve forgotten more than *you’ll* ever know. I suspect that I passed that stage in Jr. High.

      Clearly, you believe that you’re intelligent. I give you partial credit. Judging by the sub-moronic blather you vomit out, I’d say you’re half way to being an Idiot-Savant.

      Keep that hockey helmet on until you get there, Sparky.

    • Jake Witmer

      This just goes to show that even people who choose a cool photo of their intellectual superiors as an avatar can be mind-numbingly stupid. Thanks for challenging my preconceptions, you’ve unwittingly done me a favor!

    • Jake Witmer

      I also have a thought experiment:
      Sharia = Puritanism = Prohibitionist Police State

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      False premise, therefore false statement. Sharia does not equal Puritanism.

    • Jake Witmer

      You’re not even good at semantic hair-splitting. All the prior have clear similarities, and I don’t have time to babysit you as you stumblingly work your way through Hayek’s “The Constitution of Liberty”

    • games

      NO..the 18-year-old RAPIST is the one who ruined her life…if it is in fact ruined. 15-year-olds ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH to be having sex, gay or otherwise!

  • Guest

    Young children should not be having sex. Whether they “consent” to it or not, it is and should be considered a form of rape and be illegal. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that the same people who refused to even bat an eye at the infanticide of millions of babies each year in order to advance their political agenda, also want to brush aside the fact that a young girl was raped in order to advance their political agenda.

    • Becky

      If that is the case, wouldn’t most high school students need to be arrested then? How many do you think actually restrain themselves and don’t have sex?

    • Moe

      An 18 year old is an adult. If it were an 18 year old man and a 14 year old girl, would you still be defending this relationship? Just saying . ..

    • brian

      If they were togther for a year before the boy turned 18 I would not do anything unless my daughter said something was wrong.
      Now to u Moe. if it was an 18 yr old girl and a 15 yr old boy would u say anything?

    • marvinmcconoughey

      The ages of 18 and 14 were quite unexceptional for marriage in some cultures and eras. Today’s equivalent to the fading traditional marriage is the modern “relationship” which is not much more ambiguous than the older fashioned marriages of convenience, power, economics, and politics which entered into many past marriages, and some today.

    • wakeboard3584@aol.com

      You hit the nail on the head! Just because society says something is “wrong” doesn’t make it so. Per the exclusions to the law listed below, it seems the 18 yr old should probably not be convicted.

    • wakeboard3584@aol.com

      Bottom line, our court system will work it out and the law will be upheld… hopefully

    • Jake Witmer

      Exactly, …the common law. The jury has the right to acquit based on their consciences. This was ultimately how the Fugitive Slave Act was defeated in the North, and how prohibition was defeated.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What
      happened to the free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate
      punishing cowards, so proud that they will cave in to the slightest
      pressure from the prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your
      right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So if you’re called, shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

    • Jim S

      Jake you express yourself well. I would like to know, do you or have you had a 14 year old daughter. Lets assume you have not. I gotta believe you will feel differently about someone, boy or girl, “deflowering” your 14-15 yo daughter. And yes , right or wrong, it is different with a girl. I know it shouldn’t be, but it is.

    • Jake Witmer

      Without a victim, there’s no crime. This is what the common law teaches us. In order for there to be a victim, two things must be shown: INJURY + INTENT TO INJURE. Without either one of these things, there is no crime, no “malum in se,” and no “corpus delecti.”

      Laws to the contrary are not proper laws, and should be nullified. To claim otherwise is to claim that society should be lawless, and government should have arbitrary, totalitarian power over all individuals.

      I am not opposed to sex, or sexual experimentation in the young. I view it as a severe moral defect in all those posting here who are so opposed. I would not be “better off” if I were imprisoned, fined, harassed, or otherwise had my life violated by the police state because of consensual sexual relations I had when I was young.

      It is grotesque and uncivilized to suggest that violently kidnapping someone, putting them in chains, strip searching them, probing their anus, and locking them in a cage is “more civilized” than allowing consensual sexual activity between any two participants. It’s a primitive means for the sociopathic stte to insert itself into private lives, the vestige of chest-beating irrational tribalism.

      So yes, prosecuting this girl would be far worse than not prosecuting her.

    • Jim S

      Very good point, but we need to consider that those practices were generally given up long ago in all advanced societies. Not by law, but by practice. We learned and we grew. The whole high school sex thing is a grey area. The point of this story is a 14 or 15 yo having sex with a 17 or 18 yo respectively , and I say that crosses the line, legally and morally. I’m not a prude but we do need laws and this seems to me to break them. Using reasonable prudence to access penalty is the important part . Hopefully the judge involved will do so. I’m with the parents of the 15yo.

    • BellaBoo

      i truly believe if it was an 18 yr old boy and a 15 yr old girl ….there would be no discussion cause there would be no case because no charges would have been filed…

    • Jake Witmer

      I love how “Moe” is going to set you straight that the way of the American jury is not to acquit, and show mercy, it’s really to punish. He learned how to be a toady well in government school…

    • brian

      And ur saying u didn’t have any type of sexual activity before u were 18

    • Kelles Petee

      lemme guess your liberal democrat right?

    • Anton LaVey

      “lemme” guess “your” an uneducated, sheltered Christian? Probably from the mid-west somewhere? Down south? Let’s all make these amazing hate-filled internet assumptions! How beautiful the human race is. I love the sarcastic “god-saved” internet users.

    • Henry

      hahaha this is so true and so funny.

    • games

      You have the NERVE to call someone else ‘uneducated’ when you can’t even get through ONE sentence using the right ENGLISH words? LOL! YOU !D!0T!

    • Anton LaVey

      eye know English much gooder than ewe

    • Henry

      closed minded conservatives are the problem here.

    • games

      YOU IDIOT LIBERALS are so open-minded that your brains have fallen out!
      Just because we do not agree with your WARPED IDEAS DOES NOT make up closed-minded! It makes us DIFFERENT from you, you hypocritical buffoon!

    • Jake Witmer

      Two of the most awesome things you can read, free on the net: Google Fully Informed Jury Association.
      and
      “Why I Am Not A Conservative” by F. A. Hayek.

      The jury has the right to acquit based
      on their consciences. This was ultimately how the Fugitive Slave Act was defeated in the North, and how prohibition was defeated.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What happened to the free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate punishing cowards, so proud that they will cave in to the slightest pressure from the prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as jury members. Again: Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So if you’re called, shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

    • Jim S

      May I remind you ; Liberalism has failed every single time it has been practiced. Also remember Liberalism is the first leg toward socialism then communism. Basically from little failures to bigger failures. Show me one instance of long term Liberal success .

    • Jake Witmer

      Right you are! Here’s a classic essay that explains why:
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/articles/hayek-why-i-am-not-conservative.pdf

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Guest, I really do appreciate your comments, but when one uses improper grammar, unfortunately, in the eyes of many, it invalidates his/her arguments. It is “you’re’, not ‘your’ when you mean to say “you are”. “Your” is a possessive adjective meaning it belongs to you.

    • games

      I am ABSOLUTELY saying that! It’s called MORALS…something you evidently know little about!

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Two wrongs would not make a right.

    • Jake Witmer

      The gears of justice need blood! blood! blood! And ruined lives! YES!

  • Jay

    Are they believing that just because she is gay, that makes it ok to have sex with a minor? The younger girl is still not 16 yet. The “Romeo and Juliet” law applies to someone who is 16-17, not 15. What does it matter if they are gay or straight? The law should apply to everyone equally.

    • Becky

      You did notice that the law says someone 14-17 year old right? Or maybe you rushed to slam too quickly to actually read?

    • Dawn Poe

      • Allows a 4 year age gap between the victim and the offender for exclusion of the registration requirements for certain offenses that are “”consensual.”"

      • Victim must be at least 14 but no older than 17 years of age.

      Section 794.05, F.S.:

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002770362431 Charlie Judd

      and she was 19.

    • mitts281

      18 you idiot

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002770362431 Charlie Judd

      Idiot? That’s all you have??? With a name like Mitts281… enough said.

    • Dawn Poe

      She just turned 18

    • Merced

      Kaitlyn was an “Adult” during the whole relationship. According to the arrest affidavit she was born 8/14/94. She turned 18 in August of 2012 and again according to the arrest affidavit the relationship started in November of 2012. The victim was 14 when they started having sex. Its criminal in the eyes of Florida law.

    • Jake Witmer

      Fuck Florida “law.” You know what also happened in Florida? A cartoonist was sentenced to house arrest, and told he was no longer allowed to DRAW. Mike Diana. Look it up. So much for the First Amendment.

      BTW: Unconstitutional Laws are “Null and void from their inception and need not be followed.” …According to the Supreme Court (back when it wasn’t a bunch of the president’s Marxist buddies).

      The Mike Diana case was in Penisless County, land of the Puritans. Florida’s claims that their local Nazi laws supercede the Bill of Rights isn’t Federalism, it’s Puritanism, and a USA version of Sharia law.

      In order to be criminal in the eyes of the common law, and warrant a guilty verdict, a law must be “mala in se” = “injury” + “intent to injure”

      No foul, no crime. ANYWHERE IN THE USA.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      OK when are you going to fess up and tell us how many 14 year-olds you’ve raped (or has it only been in your dreams?)

    • Jim S

      there’s no call for that idiocy.

    • Jake Witmer

      I’ll fess up when you admit that you’re a simpleton conformist who can’t form independent opinions based on logic and reason.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      Actually he also had the correct age. Guess you missed it, again.

    • mitts281

      You guys keep bringing up this gay thing. If the older girl was a male, it would probably be even worse.

    • Ben

      You just completely validated any argument about this not being an anti-gay situation.

    • Lee

      I still say I’ll bet she walks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Unfortunately, you may be right.

    • Lee

      You know she will…..

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      If the younger girl was a male, this wouldn’t be happening, he’d be getting high fives. If you’re going to point to one double standard, point to them all.

    • Jake Witmer

      Never underestimate the stupidity of the collective, Patrick. But you’re a good guy, so you should know of your right to jury nullification. Never let them replace you with a rubber stamp. Peace.

    • Jake Witmer

      Yes, and unjust laws should apply equally to noone. Juries should refuse to apply them, and prevent the prosecutors from getting their parasitic “pound of flesh”

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Laws against having sex with a 14-year-old is not unjust. We are entrusted to care for the weak, the young, the elderly, not take unfair advantage of them.

    • Jake Witmer

      You seem logic challenged, so I’ll just point out that under the common law, the 15 year old’s opinion counts. If she doesn’t think she was victimized, then there’s no crime. Why not? Because the two elements of a crime, or “corpus delecti” are then NOT PRESENT. There is no “injury” and no “intent to injure” in this case. That’s why it’s her parents who are pursuing the case, and not her.

  • Kelles Petee

    lol….just the parents of the 15 year old are upset that they’re little angel has been turned to the dark side…..lol so they took action!! good for the parents!!!!

    • brian

      Really????? They are kids and if they love each other thats all that matters. Its not like the older girl lured the younger one by giving her things and taking advantage of her.

    • Kelles Petee

      lol….you think….what if it was your daughter sexualy assaulted by a lesbian???????

    • brian

      If it were my daughter I would respect her decission and let her choose. They were together for a year now and no one said a word until the girl turned 18

    • Me

      And you would be advocating your daughter to go to hell

    • Brian

      is that right? If some of you on here are so into the bible then you would know that you shall not pass false judgement

    • games

      Brian…I suggest you try actually reading the words before posting something that makes you look like a fool….first of all…it says we are to judge one-another…not to mention the FACT that NONE OF THIS IS FALSE judgement, as you put it! It is an ABOMINATION…according to the Bible you are so fond of MISQUOTING!

    • Jake Witmer

      Another sharia-spouting religious loon! Another puritan! Strike two for this thread!

    • Jake Witmer

      Easy on the sharia, there pal! …This used to be America!

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Until nutcases like you began to run it into the ground.

    • Jake Witmer

      Caroline, you’re a stupid redneck. Of course, you can always investigate the trial of “People Against Croswell” and see what Alexander Hamilton had to say about jury rights, if you think I’m wrong. And you could also note that Thomas Jefferson also agreed with me, when he wrote “I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a republic can be held to the principles of its constitution.”

      Then, you could do the simple math (statistics) about the likelihood of any law being enforced under proper, randomly-selected juries. It’s a vanishingly small likelihood. For instance, if 5% of the public disagrees with a law, it has only a 54% chance of being enforced via a proper jury. (0.95^12 =.5403)

      Now, vindictive morons like yourself favor the destruction of the Jury, and side with the judges and prosecutors who destroyed it. I get that. But that doesn’t make you right, it only puts you on the side of the Northern judges and prosecutors who destroyed the jury in 1851, as a means of enforcing the unpopular fugitive slave law.

      I’m on the side of the people, the Jury, the educated and enlightened citizenry.

      You’re on the side of totalitarianism, because you’re too stupid and incurious to go beyond what the government schoolmarms taught you in your high school history class. Criticize me again if you want to look even stupider than you already do.

      By your standard, all of the Founders and all of the anti-slavery forces in U.S. History were “nutcases.” Do yourself a favor, and crack a book before you post a comment about U.S. History.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      “Decision’, not ‘decission” and the parents did complain earlier. And later reports say the girl was already 18 when they started dating. Although that wouldn’t matter – it becomes a crime at the time she became an adult.

    • Jeorge

      Proverbs 22: 6——-You sound like another parent that let their kids raise themselves along with their teachers help

    • Brian

      Not at all. Why change something if they are happy. Any parent in the world should be happy with the way their kids turn out if they respect others and grow to love someone no matter if they are straight or gay

    • Me

      according to you Brian But not all parents are living their lives with out morals and are willing to not be happy if their child turns out gay because it is wrong. Thats like saying you are happy because your child turned out to be a bank robber but they are happy and therefor I am happy”. Derrr

    • Brian

      Wow what a bunch of stupidity that people spout on here. Why can’t we all just mind our own business and stop telling people how to live

    • Jake Witmer

      Brian, the explanation is very simple: they are too stupid to know the common law difference between “mala in se” (crimes that have an actual “body of the crime” or “corpus delecti”) and “mala prohibita” (victimless crimes).

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      They are still crimes. Physical violence is not the only crime.

    • Jake Witmer

      Keep letting the legislature do your thinking for you, and keep ignoring the logic that bleeds from every word of my comments. You’ll soon be the sad footnote on history that you deserve to be, redneck.

    • me

      brian, someday your 14 yr old child or your grandchild might come to you and tell you they love someone that is 70 yrs old and you are then going t remember your words because you will not want to say “as long as they are happy” unless you are that twisted.

    • Brian

      If my child is under 18 and they want to date a 70 yr old that might be a problem. But these 2 girls were seeing each other before the older one turned 18. Don’t see an issue with that

    • Betsy Brown

      Re: “Its not like the older girl lured the younger one by giving her things and taking advantage of her.”

      And you know this because…?

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Who knows how she “lured” her but that is exactly what it is when it’s between an adult and a child – luring.

    • Jake Witmer

      Ah, shut your piehole ya dumb redneck. Your comments are bigoted comments beneath respect and civilized discourse. This is the primary reason that Ayn Rand said that religious thinking was incompatible with individual freedom. She was right.

    • carefulmagic

      You’re sick with fear. God will not save you. Civil rights will prevail.

    • Kelles Petee

      i am sick of gays pushing they’re lifestyle onto the rest of us…..and god has already saved me fool…..your the one who needs saving…

    • Amy S.

      haha. can’t wait to see you in eternal hell.

    • Kelles Petee

      you will wait along time!!!!!! i will be in heaven whilst you wait in hell

    • henry

      how are gays pushing their lifestlye onto you? They aren’t turning you gay, they aren’t doing anything to you that harms YOU. henry

    • Kelles Petee

      you don”t live in sanfransisco do you?????

    • ew

      oh man, a wrong “their” and a wrong “you’re” in one comment? it’s like hitting the typo lottery!

    • Kelles Petee

      lol…..and your perfect right????

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Child molesters lose their “civil rights”.

    • Jake Witmer

      Thank you! …Yes, so many people sick with fear and ignorance, the sad state of affairs demands that we (who do not desire to punish other innocent people) hold ourselves to a high standard of awareness. In that regard, the means for allowing civil rights to prevail is outlined in some excellent works that I highly recommend:
      “Let’s Get Free: A Hip-Hop Theory of Justice” by Paul Butler
      “Jury Nullification: The Evolution of a Doctrine” by Clay Conrad
      “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross (first 2/3 historical nonfiction, final 1/3 fiction)
      Or, if you don’t prefer the gun rights portion of civil rights as fiction, I recommend checking out the free copy of David Hardy’s “In Search of the Second Amendment” that’s posted on youtube, or reading the interview with Theodore Haas, a Jewish survivor of the Dachau concentration camp. If we’re divided and inconsistent, we will not have civil rights.

      I also recommend checking out the Pink Pistols, who train gays how to use firearms, so they cannot be “bashed.” That’s a charity worth contributing to!

  • Kelles Petee

    gay sex is not ok between adults or children!

    • ew

      mmmm… you sound like you’re “not ok” to be posting in the comments section

    • games

      YOU are the one who is not OK! YOU ARE WARPED!

    • Winnar12345 .

      Typical liberal. Because someone does not agree with your position they must be silenced. Sounds like you’re “not ok” for free and open discussion.

    • Jake Witmer

      “ew” didn’t say the person should be banned or silenced, they said the person didn’t sound “OK” to be posting in the comments section. It was an insult, not a normative statement.

    • Kelles Petee

      and who are you to be deciding if i am o.k to be posting my thoughts or opinions anywhere?????? that is why the irs is in trouble today, people like you were in control of something they should never have been in control of……lol

    • games

      Liberals…always think they know more than the next guy!

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      Idiots…. always label because it’s easier than thinking.

    • Jake Witmer

      I’m a liberal, …just like Hayek. LOL

    • games

      ABSOLUTELY!

    • games

      ABSOLUTELY!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=6855304 Lloydi Luciferious Loki

      I don’t care if someone wants to have sex with a tree…. I really don’t… as long as the tree is at least 18 years of age and consents.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      Yeah if you can’t have sex, no one can.

    • Kelles Petee

      :) you know something is wrong when u sleep on the couch in your moms house dude!! i really am better looking than you and its true,….i make more money than you!

    • Jake Witmer

      Well, then you must be worth more than him. Also, if you make more money than he does, then it must be impossible for any idea in your brain to be incorrect. Can you please lend me some of your brain’s magic? …I’d like to use it to power my rocket to the moon.

  • momma thiger

    She was 14 !!! it as nothing to do with 2 females ,it has everything to do with the fact she was 14 !

    • Moe

      Agreed. The article states that the older girl was 18, and the younger girls is now 15, which means that she was probably still 14 at the time. It sounds to me that the older girl knew the parents did not approve of the relationship (for whatever reason). Any 18 year old who has sex with a 14 year old whose parents do not approve of the relationship is asking for some jail time.

    • mitts281

      yes everyone here knows the law. Did you read the whole article? There are other laws in states including Florida that allow this type of thing between teenagers that are close in age. The fact that you’re arguing this is just sad. That young girls parents are sad, sad people and are ruining another teenage girl’s life because of their bigotry.

    • http://www.facebook.com/susan.robbins.923 Susan Robbins

      The girl is not old enough to consent to sex with anyone.

      You want to change the law to only allow sex with adult and underage if it only involves gays?

    • S.Evans

      Yes, that is, essentially, the idea.

      If you don’t believe me look up the Queer Rights movement and their stand on the age of consent laws.

      And people wonder why conservatives have a knee jerk reaction when it comes to the gay rights movement. Now we have them preaching “the lifestyle” in the cub scouts. (that cub scout den dyke with all the rainbow pins I saw on television worries me).

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      As soon as someone is stupid enough to use a word like “Dyke” it’s obvious how little they have to add to the discussion. You don’t look for facts to form an opinion, you form an opinion and only look for facts that back it up. I hope your kids never have to come out to you.

    • Jake Witmer

      Amen! Can I get an hallellujyahhh?!

    • Roeschen

      No Mitts, the facts are – the younger girl was under age – not of legal age of consent. She could not consent to sex. It does not matter that there is a Romeo-Juliette law. She still cannot consent. Sorry, I would do the same if she were my daughter.

    • Jake Witmer

      And someday maybe a jury will have the chance to be lenient on you for a victimless crime. Let’s hope they find out who you are from this posting, and cast the first stone. Hard.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      There are several victims, the young girl who has been exposed to sexual emotions and desires that she is probably not capable of dealing with at that tender age. Her parents are victims as their wishes regarding their child were being disrespected. All
      minors will be victims if this adult is not tried to the full extent of the law. And all Americans will be victims if preferential treatment is allowed to criminals simply due to gender or sexual preference.

    • Jake Witmer

      Especially in a land full of morons who don’t know their rights as jurors!

    • Jake Witmer

      In Iran, they’d let people like you stone her to death. Of course, Jesus might object.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Jesus was very much opposed to the mistreatment/ exploitation of young children. He would have disagreed with everything you’ve said on your posts.

    • Jake Witmer

      The law can’t absolve you of the responsibility of judging the context for yourself. The law is often morally wrong, and in conflict with the higher law of human morality, and the slightly lower but still higher law of the U.S. Constitution. In order for me to be wrong, applying the law as read by the judge would always need to be the correct action, which all Western jurisprudence holds is not the case. Take for example the 1670 trial of William Penn: the jury vetoed the law, because they deemed the law to be morally wrong (this gave us our “due process” and part of our right to, and expectation of, public assembly and free speech). Take for example the trial of John Peter Zenger in 1735: the jury again threw out the “seditious libel” law, strengthening the right to free speech, and freedom of the Press. (These precedents have been upheld by American juries and courts to the present day, all the way to the Supreme Court, but even if they hadn’t been, or they are overturned in the future, the principle of free speech, and the right of the jury to judge the law would still be proper.)

      The general public is supposed to be aware of these precedents that give them their power under the law, but they are not aware, because the government “educates” the public, and they don’t want independent citizens, they want mindless taxpayers.

  • prntr1

    If this was an 18 year old boy, and a 15 year old girl what would be the outcome?

    • Kelles Petee

      prison for the boy and counseling for the girl

    • Kelles Petee

      just the same watch and see….prison for the 18 year old female and counseling for the 15 year old female

    • Jake Witmer

      Yep! This country no longer resembles America.

    • Jake Witmer

      Yep! This country no longer resembles America.

    • http://www.facebook.com/louis.dicapua.1 Louis Dicapua

      the 18 year old goes into the slammer with no question asked

  • Guest

    She is an adult, at the age of 18 thats where it became the issue. If this was the same situation, but the 18 yr old was male, there would be no question. Should it happen? Not so sure. Is it against the law? YEP!

    • Jake Witmer

      …Which is why “jury nullification of law” exists and is the law of the land in all 50 States. So citizens can show mercy in the case that enforcing the law would violate their consciences.

  • Itsthelaw

    I have known two young guys who dated girls under 16 – (14 and 15) they both did prison time. Even though the relationship was consensual, the parents did not consent, and they brought the charges against the two boys. This should not be made into an “anti-gay” argument. The law is the law and it applies to all!

    • Kelles Petee

      great comment sir, finally some logic here!!!

    • Blah

      Spoken like a true bigot

    • SUnsan

      typical lib comeback. You’re a RACIST! You’re a BIGOT. bwaaahhhaaahaa! get a new line..

    • PickupaBook

      Racism has to do with RACE! Not being homosexual. Do some research and read a dictionary. You’re just showing everyone how completely inept you are.

    • duhhh

      Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and
      intolerance

    • djhartm .

      Gee, that sounds EXACTLY like the LGBT community!

    • NIGHTSCOUT

      Logic overload! LGBT are extremely biased and hypocritical.

    • Mike McBride

      The term “RACIST” was used as an example of the typical Lib comeback, No one was being called a racist.

    • Rufus

      your comprehension seems to be a bit inept.

    • PickupaBook

      Also, liberals advocate the freedom of the individual, nonviolent modification of political, social or economic institutions to ensure unrestricted development in all spheres of the human endeavor and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties. With this said, you were probably wanting to call ItstheLaw a conservative; which, is a person who believes things should be kept the same and as stated in the BIBLE, “woman was created to be with man.” Educate yourself better before presenting your “IDEAS” and spewing ridiculous comments.

    • John Campanella

      Not really. You mean state violence and compulsion disguised as nonviolent modification. Because if I decide I won’t want to pay my taxes because I disagree with something, I get a gun shoved in my face and thrown in a cage for years, for ‘tax evasion’.

      Don’t tell people to educate themselves, especially if you’re broken enough to still be consumed by partisan dogma and partisan quackery. The left and right game is for clowns who can’t think for themselves.

      You cannot say that you promote freedom when your goal is to increase the power and size of the state. You cannot be for individual liberty when you favor increasing the power of the elite. This also applies to conservatives.

      Not all conservatives are religious either.

    • Poppy Potts

      so with all those words, what exactly is the point you are trying to make but failing.? And what has it to do with the girl Kaitlyn and the charge of statuatory rape? Perversions are not personal rights when they corrupt the lives of children

    • Jason

      Corrupt their lives? Seems like a child living with you would have no chance at all at being open-minded. What a sad man!

    • John Campanella

      Of course they are not – the girls have rights too, what are you talking about? Rights end where the other person’s rights begin, that’s the whole idea. If you had no right to your own body then there’s no such thing as theft, rape or murder.

      My point was to respond to the liberal pretentious self righteous mouth diarrhea above.

    • youngblood

      First off I agree with most of what you had to say. That being said, freedom has little to do with the power or size of the “state” (I’m assuming you mean this as a general term for government), absolute freedom is anarchy( no state to enforce laws, or infringe on absolute freedom) , sustainable freedom however needs a governmental force to protect and harbor it. Is this a good thing, no. If anything it speaks to the unfortunate nature of the human condition – to be capable of great good and great evil.(I’m not inferring anarchy is evil, it just allows for evil to rear it’s ugly head) In a perfect world we would all live with open minds and hearts, but in our current world, change and difference scare people. Thus we need a government agency (preferably a large one) to both prevent anarchy and ensure that personal liberties aren’t infringed.

      All this aside I have heard little of this story and have no knowledge over whether the parents of the young girl are angered because it was a gay act or because it was sex upon a younger individual. If you find yourself in a similar position, please do not assume one way or the other, do some research and formulate your opinion afterwards. If this is a case of gay bias its very unfortunate and saddening, if it is merely a case of statutory rape on the other hand, I can understand the parent’s position.

    • colleen prinssen

      they did not like their 14 year old dating and having sex with an 18 year old. so they said no. I don’t think she could of done what did with her, when her girlfriend was under the age of conscent.

      but hey “pretty blond lesbian high schooler” and “young teens do want sexy time with adults”. Steubervill boys took advantage of a drunk girl. you can’t take advantage of a willing and love struck “minor”. :)

    • Ernest James Cox

      Well Youngblood …… What stops the government from rearing its ugly head? If you say that anarchy stops freedom cause people are inherently going to do bad……. then why is the government any different and why wont it do bad things and infringe on liberties. Oh Wait!!!!! It does just that. Governments do not care about protecting liberties, in fact they are in the business to do the opposite. Stealing one’s money and giving it to others just cause you call it taxes does not make it anything else but theft. And that is just an insane world view to think you need a large government agency,which mind you, is a monopoly on violence and dispute resolution to protect the personal liberties of the individual? I do not follow how you made those connections.
      And further more the size and power of the government normally translates instantly into the amount of freedoms a person can retain. The larger the said government and power the less the person is able to decide for themselves or retain their own funds. The more money the government needs the less money the individual has for themselves.

    • John Campanella

      People are bad, therefore we need government, which consists of people (who are bad) and voted for by people (who are bad).

      Makes perfect sense.

    • Jasonrad

      Thank you John.

    • John Campanella

      One person at a time my friend, that is how this war of ideas is won.

    • Me

      Your first point is referring to SUnsan? I don’t believe they were referring to anything other than name calling.

      and your other point on liberals advocating freedom?: I only see new laws, Or do you consider having a microchip implanted, forcing me to pay a tax for “Obama” care which I totally disagree with do what I did get a job! I know Obama said it’s not a tax but the supreme court said it was, via a rule not a law because he couldn’t get it to pass through the houses because they don’t agree with it. I see no new freedoms under the current administration only more control. I could go on but this is plenty to get my point across. some new form of freedom?

    • Michael Lopez

      News flash: It’s not a requirement to believe in the Bible to have a relationship independent of the church, just as it’s not a requirement to believe in God in order to get married. Thought maybe you’d like to know that since it seems you don’t.

    • Mike McBride

      The news out of Sonoma State University today spoke of a Catholic student being told by her supervisor to hide her 2″ cross as it might bother new students. This does not sound like tolerance to me. It sounds like exclusion. This very liberal University attempted to twhwart freedom of speech and religeon in the name of tolerance. An oxymoronic statement if I ever heard one.

    • Jethro Clampett

      “the news” you are dizzy with bull s h i t

    • slapnuts_69

      Amen. The Libs vociferously claim to be tolerant and are for people having choices… yet choose to use a regular light bulb, and they accuse you of killing the environment. Choose to not purchase health insurance, and Obamacare will tax you for that choice. Choose to follow your Christian upbringing, and you are a bigot who is intolerant of gays. Choose to kill a baby, however, and they applaud you. I fear for the future of this country.

    • Jesse Phillips

      Asking people to be a little more environmentally aware is factually the right thing to do. If everyone in the world consumed like America and China there would be a major mess. Your anti-ObamaCare BS didnt work during the elections and that Conservative lie isnt going to work now. And no one cares if you want to bring your children up Christian or Rastafarian for that matter. Religions are like penises. Its fine to have one. Its ok to even be proud of it. Just dont whip it out in public. And dont try to stuff it down other people and childrens throats. And dont even get me started on abortion. You clearly lack the intelligence to converse on a topic that grand. Dont fear for our country sir, fear for the lack of factual knowledge you are replacing with your fear and religion based perceptions of the world.

    • Brandon Rickman

      you really like the term “factual knowledge” as if all your valuations were facts and not opinions. It’s YOUR valuation that we shouldn’t be able to express our religious ideology in public. That’s not factual, it’s an opinion. Come back with an actual argument if you want that to seem “factual” Also, you made no argument towards the abortion comment, instead you resorted to attacking the persons intelligence based entirely on their OPINIONS. Maybe you’re not fit to converse on a topic that grand. Maybe, just maybe, you should get your head out of your ass and understand what the terms “fact” and “subjective” before making such aggressive comments. I don’t care for the religious extreme in this country, but by god if there’s one thing i hate more than them, it’s a super liberal who tries to hide behind their feelings of being better than everyone else by touting individuality and freedom while at the same time attacking thoughts different than their own and promoting ideologies that go against these basic tenants. Good day, madam.

    • Jesse Phillips

      I am very aware of the difference between factual and subjective knowledge. I used the term ‘Factual knowledge’ once. You my friend need to learn a little vocab and stop using the word ‘valuation’ where it makes no sense. I never said my opinion that religion shouldnt be public was a fact. Obviously your are the one with head in ass. Your reading comprehension level is middle school at best. Ill converse with you on any topic any day of the week little guy. So now that we have that out of the way lets get to the part of your inane rant where you say I try to hide behind my feelings of being better than everyone. What the hell does that mean? Haha. I think you mean I try to hide the feeling of being better than everyone behind a rhetoric of individuality and freedom. Wow you fucked that up. My answer is I dont feel that Im better than everyone. Just a little smarter than you. A guy who doesnt know what ‘valuation’ means and cant write a single intelligible thought. An idiot that throws the word ‘liberal’ around with no real solid thought or argument to back it up. Lastly, I never attacked anyones individuality or thoughts just because they were different than mine. I encourage people to think for themselves based on reason, rationality and fact. If you want to pretend that there was a talking snake and a giant boat filled with 2 of every animal. That is cool with me. Just keep it to yourself and dont pump it into my kids head and line of sight. Maybe you should try again.

    • jongoble

      Dude, I pay for health care at fifty bucks a month. I am NEVER SICK. I will probably NEVER USE IT. But I’d rather have it than bankrupt my family.
      Logically speaking, there’s really no reason not to have health care. If you can’t afford a buck fifty a day just in case something tragic happens, lay off the vices.

    • Jasonrad

      Typical “Liberal” behavior. Intolerant bigots the lot of them.

    • Jethro Clampett

      your gas bag tone nullifies the tiresome “logic” of your rants…give it a rest nit wit

    • Jasonrad

      By your definition above, all the conservatives I know must be liberals. Liberals are NOTHING like you described above. Freedom of the individual? Bullshit. Where is my freedom to reject your ideals? It doesn’t exist. Governmental guarantees of individual rights? You mean more rights for those that are not white nor have a penis right? Liberals – bigots. Period. You of course had the typical comeback as Mike McBride pointed out. Ridiculous comments? Why don’t you answer the basic question here: Why is it fine for a young man at 18 to go to jail for a sexual relationship with a 15 year old girl but a girl who is 18 shouldn’t? Oh yeah, because she’s gay and that makes it alright. How about your support of polygamy? If it’s all about the love one person feels for another regardless of sex why can’t one person marry several? Oh that’s right, because one man marrying several women automatically makes those women subservient to men. Bet it’s fine in your book for one women to marry several women. They have a word for that: BIGOT! You Tuesday Wednesday And Thursday.

    • Ernest James Cox

      That post of yours hurts my head cause it is so far from the truth! Conservatism in the United States actually refers to the Founding fathers way of philosophy which was classical liberalism ….. In example small limited government. Liberals Hijacked the term “Liberal” and turned it into a government loving, hate spewing, socialist / communist ideology.

    • an obviously twisted situation

      get a new hobby

    • jason

      Or your insults would be stupid liberal leave the country you traitor. Please – conservatives are an embarrassment to the human brain.

    • James V.

      Intolerant Lib. GTH.

    • frankfurter

      I love how democrats and republicans so often assume that another person who disagrees with their line of thinking is automatically a member of the other party. I often wonder what people like them (and you) would do in a multi-party system with many differing opinions

    • CJ

      I think you are ignorant. The law is the law. I have seen boys dating girls with that age gap get into trouble too. Stop trying to make it into an issue that it is not.

    • an obviously twisted situation

      yup law is law…sheep are sheep

    • mitts281

      so you’re agreeing with this?

    • carlo

      The 17 year old should be prosecuted for having sex with a 14 year old child, whether that child is a boy or a girl. This would be a felony in most, if not all, states. Why should there be any difference in prosecuting this 17 year old girl, or prosecuting a 17 year old boy? I don’t know if you are a female, but if so you have been complaining about double standards for over 100 years, so do you want to turn back the calendar 100 years when women were paid a fraction of what men were paid, and could not even vote? For clarification, I am male and I don’t want that to happen.

    • S.Evans

      The older girl was 18 at the time the younger girl was either 14 or 15, thus NOT making this a borderline “3 year difference” situation but a nominal 4 year difference with one being a legal adult. Further if we shave another couple years off the younger girls age (theoretically) it’d be a more significant penalty, possible life in prison.

      So yes, I agree, this was most probably a consenting relationship between two girls with a genuine if largely tentative emotional commitment that was torn apart by adults who don’t understand. You know, like with Socrates and his students, only Socrates was man enough to drink his hemlock.

    • NoneofYourBusiness

      Ummm….no. Regardless of your age or agenda, 14 year-olds aren’t capable of understanding the long-term effects of sexual relationships. Society has a vested interest in protecting young people from adult sexual predators, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. To argue that 14 year-old has the maturity to make these decisions for themselves only reveals YOUR immaturity.

    • NoneOfYourBusinessToYouToo

      Ummmm… no. Regardless of a physical age, doesn’t mean that one doesn’t have the capability of being able to make a mature decision.

    • kenny

      so can my two year old be the executor of my will? Moron.

    • Jake Witmer

      What you just did is known as “reductio ad absurdum” –taking a threshold based value and stripping it of the threshold that gives it value. Just another commoner with a rock in his hand, rather than the magna carta. Primate.

    • Equality7-2521

      “To hell with you, you’re all as American as Joseph Stalin or Adolf Eichmann. That liberal a few years ago who called you “little Eichmanns” was right. I know y’all hate rock and roll”

      What we *really* hate is precocious pre-teens lecturing on fallacies of logic after spewing their own “reductio ad Nazium” and passing it off as an adult thought.

      Now get your ass up and don’t miss the (short) bus.

    • Jake Witmer

      Ayn Rand would be embarrassed by your stupid comments. Refute one thing I’ve said, using the objectivist epistemology, but don’t try to do it if you’re incapable of doing it, because you’re going to make yourself look very, very stupid. …As you just did.

    • Equality7-2521

      The stupid part of my comment was a quote from you. Like most Libtards, you went straight for the Nazi bs. It’s old, it’s tired, and it fits the democrat party platform nearly perfectly. I encourage you to read a bit (and grow up a bit) before parading your delusions of adequacy to the public.

      You’re dismissed, btw.

    • AvengingAngel

      I think arguing against just reveals what a fascist totalitarian ageist asshat most of those against this are.

    • Louise

      “Ummm….no. Regardless of your age or agenda, 14 year-olds aren’t capable of understanding the long-term effects of sexual relationships”

      In what way are they not capable? Is this and education thing? Or an experience thing? What do you mean?

    • Jake Witmer

      It’s a Puritanism thing. You know, …the official state religion of the USA, according to every monkey with a rock in his hand. …You know, works just like Sharia, except we ruin their lives with prison and hatred and denied opportunity, instead of stoning.

      “Mistrust those in whom the urge to punish is strong.”

    • NoneofYourBusiness

      “Consent” is a legal concept. The Law sez you have to be 16 to be legally able to consent. Sexual predators can get a 5 year-old to consent, which is why “consent” is immaterial to your argument.
      In this case, the adults understood quite well what is at stake.

    • kenny

      Youre an idiot. The law is the law. Period. I didnt hear all these excuses when it was a boy being charged for statuatory rape. Why is there an issue now? Just because of the gender? Do you want equal rights or not? You cant get them only when its convenient.

    • Jake Witmer

      That’s just what Eichmann said at his trial. And he was rightfully executed for “doing his duty to the law.”

      What about the highest standard of Western law, jury nullification where contextually appropriate? never learned about that, did you? Primate.

    • Jake Witmer

      Why say “Man enough to drink his hemlock”? Are you suggesting that the proper result is mindless destruction of innocent lives? The government schools have gutted America of people who have the capacity to think critically.

    • mitts281

      It’s also freaking obvious that the parents of the younger girl are ignorant bigots

    • http://www.facebook.com/susan.robbins.923 Susan Robbins

      Would they be bigots if they did they same to a man who was having a relationship with their 14 year old.

    • dozr

      A grown man is different than an 18yr old girl, they are both children, the older one should have known better, however she is still a child, you should equate a 18yr old girl with a “MAN” which i would consider 21+ at the very least(20yr olds are still children in my book, i would not support a 20 yr old and a teenager getting together either). I do believe that the age difference here 14/18 is too large however, lets not try to equate 14f/18f to 14f/30m(or female) because its not the same thing.

    • Marbran

      How about 15m/26f. Is that permissible?

    • Unnecessary Loginshere

      Mitty obvious your an idiot, very obvious. If every one has rights and freedoms then so do the parents, unless you want to oppress every one who doesn’t agree with your person beliefs

    • Judy Jarrell

      No its not ok for Gays to manipulate anyone and she should be charged as would anybody taking advantage of an underage child.

    • Ivy Alston

      Unfortunately, everyone is acting like Kaitlyn wasn’t an underage child herself. Being 18 by a few months doesn’t all of a sudden make you the wisest adult out here. She was still a high school student, who has the same rights as a child herself in High School. So many people act like they’ve done nothing that could have sent them to prison when they were just barely 18 years old, they didn’t get caught that’s all. I don’t believe in homosexuality at all, but I also don’t think Kaitlyn is a criminal who should wear the badge of child sexual offender on her record for the rest of her life. She will not be any good to society if she can’t work, get into college are has this stigma of being a felon. I would’nt wish a felony charge on anyone who commited an act of consensual sex. I hope that the so called “victim,” by the way, who is sticking up for Kaitlyn stands by her story also of consensual sex, because other than that, who are her witnesses that she was raped and forced into sex.

    • prettiyungthang

      you hit the nail on the head with this one… all these people just judging like they are all saints… I mean the girl was barely 18 which is only an adult in they eyes of the law… hell if she was 21… different story… people need not to make accusations or put the blame all on the 18 year old if they weren’t there to witness or know all the facts

    • http://www.facebook.com/michaela.daniels93 Michaela Daniels

      but to say “let he among you without sin…” if you are going to use that as a defense, then there would be no more criminal cases treis anywhere for any crime, because all you would have to do is quote “let he among you…” apples and oranges. this young lady SHOULD have taken the deal offered her.

    • Jake Witmer

      Nope, you don’t know a damn thing about the common law. Most laws go unenforced, as they should. Only “mala in se” should be enforced. You got a government school education and don’t even know the difference between “mala in se” and “mala prohibita.” OK, what must a crime have to be considered a crime under the common law? The common law is your only defense against tyranny, so you should know this. Give up?

      INJURY to a specific named party
      INTENT to injure a specific named party

      If that party is still living, they have standing. Yet noone who has standing has a complaint! This is a puritanistic witch hunt, because this society is more comfortable with prisons than teenage sex.

      To hell with you, you’re all as American as Joseph Stalin or Adolf Eichmann. That liberal a few years ago who called you “little Eichmanns” was right. I know y’all hate rock and roll, but I’ll end with a rock lyric:

      “Why dontcha mind your own business?” -Corey Glover

    • Ivy Alston

      What people don’t understand, is that God sees all sin as the same, he don’t judge liars and murderers differently, he sees sin as sin, that is why Jesus said he who is without sin let that person be the first to start throwing stones. People say they are Christians, but Christians read the bible and know what the scriptures actually tell us to do. The bible tells us to forgive, if we didn’t commit the act with Kaitlyn Hunt, then why are we ready to rake her over the coals. I said it before and I say it again, I don’t agree with homosexuality, but I know God forgives people for sin…this is a court case, but we all have to answer to God, whether we believe in Him or not, and just like in government law, I would rather not be on the wrong side of the law, man’s law or God’s. But I still think we need to practice being a more merciful society. Kaitlyn did things out of her feelings of love, who at 18 understands what love is really all about? I surely didn’t and I’m so glad I didn’t marry my then boyfriend when I was 18, because it would not have worked. Kaitlyn’s friend may grow up to date men exclusively and I hope she does, but what have we as a society taught her, “kill the hopes of an 18 year old who she more than likely had consentual sex with. And, how do we know this “victim wasn’t already having sex with others, not that it matters, but we are talking about kids people–18 by a few months are not.” And I would not want anything I did that was stupid at 18 to still haunt me at 55 years old today. What have you done Michaela that know one knows about that could have caused your picture to be pasted all over America’s media that you would be very ashamed of. And, have you ever lied, about something so stupid you have to still ask your self why you did it? Learn how to be forgiving, the bible says forgiveness covers a multitude of sin. Do you think Kaitlyn would turn back the hands of time if she could. Do you think she is now in any relationship with a 14 year old? Of course she isn’t…she’s learned a hard lesson. Give her a break. I pray the judge will, so that one day she’s not asking tax payers to help her, and that she can get a job and an education…do you want to use your tax dollars to help her pay for food and a place to live Michaela. I bet you just said HELL NO…and that’s why you might find your self one day facing God and wishing you had forgave.

    • brianl@morrellco.com

      are you a child molester? That is what this case is about. can an 18year old take advantage of a 14 year old sexually? No they cannot. As a society we have passed laws to protect children from being taken advantage of. She has committed a crime and should face the consequences. It is critical that the rule of law be applied fairly and equaly. The integrity of the justice system is at stake in this case if they do not prosecute this girl.

    • Ivy Alston

      I’m not a child molester Brian, and I hope you haven’t been molesting children either. And, if you have and you still want to throw stones at Kaitlyn who I’m sure was having consensual sex as a high school student protected by the same laws as the “victim” then let the stones fly. But who knows what are the true facts in this case Brian. Do you know everything. Like I said, American prisons are not filled with pretty, white, female blondes. I’m sure Kaitlyn doesn’t have any prior arrest–my assumption, since I don’t know the fact, but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She’ll probably get an easy sentence, if someone on the jury is like me, and won’t want to see her mess up her life for the rest of her years, based on having consensual sex with the “victim” These days no 14 year old isn’t very sexual aware. Look at the video games. Parents let their children watch lewd videos, killing people, probably insinuating sex, and having sexual language, then they want to act crazy and shocked when their kids go out and do what is really being condoned in the home anyway. This cas is so stupid. The 14 year old could have come on to Kaitlyn, we don’t even know what she looks like. Kaitlyn just might be the girl in this situation and the “victim” could have persued her. Like I said give her a break, how do we even know she’s had other relationships or that she was even gay before, most likely they got too close, wanted to kiss, and did, one thing lead to the next. Kaitlyn is a high school student herself, in society we protect high school students all equally. Brian you must have done something that makes you so angry at Kaitlyn, and you hope she doesn’t get away with it. I just want to see her move on in society, and I don’t know if you still plan to pay for her incarceration, tell that to the victim’s family, they’ll love you more than they hate Kaitlyn.

    • brianl@morrellco.com

      a 14 year old cannot consent to sex. I am not angry at Kaitlyn. It would not be justice to charge the heterosexual men and not charge the lesbian women. 2 young men just were charged in Ohio,big national news story. They touched a drunk 16 year old girl inappropriately and they burned those two young men. Lesbians want equality, well here it comes kaitlyn.

    • Ivy Alston

      Like I said American prison’s are not overflowing with pretty, white, female, blonde prisoners, it’s just a true fact. But their story is not the same they were not in a relationship with the 16 year old. I believe a jury is going to let Kaitlyn walk. Also, where I live in Washington, DC the majority population is black, probably 1000s of 16 year olds are pregnant in DC right now, and probably by 20 something year old men…No one is running around caring about them.

    • HealthTeacher

      I totally agree, Brian. Below, I responded to an older post, whereby someone spoke of a14 yr old girl, who “was in a consensual sexual relationship with her 18 yr old boyfriend, but her parents did not consent:

      “I agree with you, Itsthelaw, that it shouldn’t be made into a ‘gay’ issue, if in the same state, an 18 yr old boy could be prosecuted for having sex with a 14/15 yr old); however, just a teeny-tiny nitpick with your statement (b/c words matter, esp when interpreting legal statutes;. When you said that you knew of ‘two young guys, who dated girls under the age of 16, and though the relationship was consensual, the parents did not consent,’ by definition, a child under the age of 16 (or whatever the statute indicates) does not have the ABILITY to consent, because of his/her young age. In otherwords, a 14 yr old girl/boy cannot, by definition, be in a consensual sexual relationship, thus, the term “statutory rape.” It just irks me when people say, ‘but he/she CONSENTED to having sex,’ when that person is a child!! (you didn’t irk me – I just wanted to make the point).”
      Also, Ivy, I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion that “no 14 yr old isn’t very sexually aware…” I taught 8th, 10th and 12th grade health education, and while this generation is certainly EXPOSED to a lot more than any other generation (because of the internet, etc), that doesn’t mean that they PROCESS the information any better than we did, intellectually and emotionally speaking; in otherwords, they’re no more mature than we were (and I went in with a similar belief as yours, but believe me, I was STUNNED at how ill-informed the majority of 13-18 yr olds were). And, I can honestly say that although it’s very individual to the particular child, I would say that well more than half of my sophomores were not mentally or emotionally ready for sex (IMO).

    • americanveteran

      ole Kaitlyn is gonna be someones prison_bitch,, she will be in heathen_HEAVEN!!! ahahah sarcasm of course…

    • Ivy Alston

      Wow, this type of a comment from our American Veteran…well I guess you would know. But I would put money on it that she walks. I’m sure her attorney will have plenty of people on the jury that wouldn’t see it the AV way.

    • dfsheehy58@aol.com

      How’s your poop smell Brian? Cause you got yer head up yer Butt!

    • brianl@morrellco.com

      typical liberal, cannot deal with the facts, has to resort to personnel attacks.

    • IslandJack

      I’m 100% with Brian on this. What many of you are forgetting is that there is a huge amount of social and emotional development that occurs in children in high school. Despite it happening a lot across our nation, a 14 year old cannot give consent to a sexual relationship. And if Kaitlyn really was warned off twice and kept coming around? She’s a moron and deserves what she gets.

      As a black man, I learned well in my youth when the parents of all those white girls I chased said, ‘you best stop coming around here’. Back then you listened to what parents had to say, else there were gonna be some problems. Looks like that’s a lesson nobody shared with Kaitlyn.

    • DavidC99

      All I got out of your rambling, Ivy, was that you want the guilty acquitted. God shows mercy, and yes, there is forgiveness for sins, but he doesn’t acquit the guilty.

    • Ivy Alston

      I’m saying that Michaela, because, unless we provide counseling to the kids who turn 18 while they are in high school to let them know the policy and laws about what it means to be 18 and still attending school with minors, then most kids are simply not even thinking about those things. When my mother was in 9th grade she got pregnant with my sister by her 19 year old boyfriend. That is what was going on in American society in 1954 when my sister was born. But it’s also still going on in my neighborhood today. There are simply 1000s of young girls under the age of 18 that are pregnant in Washington, DC, how come no sheriff is busting down those impregnantors doors?

    • Nichole

      You seem to have left out several of the pretty imprtant facts of the case in attempt to justify all this. So “just because other people do it or other things and don’t get caught it’s okay” is a pretty horrible defense, it’s right up there with Kate’s mother saying that since the younger girl was so mature, looked older and was taller than Kate she didn’t see a problem with it.

      A few of the things that most people don’t want to consider in this:

      -Kate was 18 when this all started her birthday is in Aug, she started the relationship in nov, they had sex for the first time in dec, and the second time in jan. before her arrest Kate was warned twice, once in writing that specifically stated if she did not cease seeing the 14 yr old the police would be involved.

      -After being warned by the parents to stay away, Kate picked up the other girl after she had run away from her parents home, and took her to her own home where they had sex for the second time (apparently with the knowledge of Hunt’s parents) The Smith’s woke up and couldn’t find their daughter, a report was filed and she was subsequently found in the hunt home.

      -Kate was offered a plea deal that would have put her on “community control” in the prosecuters words. This would have allowed her to go to school, to the doctor, and even to the store if the trip was pre-arranged for a period of two years followed by a one year probation. She would not have to register as a sex offender and the prosecuter mentioned that after her probation was over she could work to get the felony removed from her record.

      -Kate’s parents found this unacceptable and launched a media campaign complete with a facebook page, and donation and merchandise page, glamour shots, and several rallies. They have already been caught in several lies as well as collecting over 30 grand before those lies came out. (Not to mention that Kate’s mother mentioned the names of the 14 yr olds parents 9 different times in her original facebook post, completely exposing the victim.)

      -The 14 yr olds parents have recieved so many threats they have had to discontinue their phones, take down all social media, including the father’s business web page and have protection because of death threats. Meanwhile the Hunt family are recieving money, glowing support an tv interviews for violating a 14yr old.

      -Also in their facebook messages to each other Kate specifically mentions that she knows what they are doing is wrong but she doesn’t want to stop.

    • Ivy Alston

      NIchole, I’m not trying to justify anything…But I happen to live in Washington, DC the Nations Capital, and there are 1000s of 16, 14, and 12 years old pregnant, and no one really cares, they live in my neighborhood, I pass them everyday, as they often are pushing baby number two to daycare, before they head off to high school and middle school. Teens and pre-teens are having sex, and I think it is very, very wrong, but then they are not pretty white females, they are young girls of color, and probably impregnanted by older males, who’s arresting them? This is a very stupid case, because until the schools provide policy about 18 year old seniors dating 14 year old freshmen, then they will likely continue to engage in relationships. DOES ANYONE THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED AT THAT SCHOOL, NO MATTER WHAT THE SEXUAL PREFERENCE. There needs to be a way that the older students are informed about all these kids we have them going to school with. I bet Kaitlyn really had no clue.

    • Jake Witmer

      Absolutely. Thanks for not being a Puritan. Puritans have ruined our once free and prosperous country. They are conformists, just like the ones who ruined Germany in the 1930s.

    • brianl@morrellco.com

      she is under age and cannot consent! If they let this gal walk they need to open up the prison doors and let all of the men out that were charged with the same thing. they need to wipe their records clean. Or charge this gal under the law. the law was intended to protect young people from being taken advantage of by older people. This has nothing to do with sexual orientation. welcome to equal treatment. The problem with excepting gays is once they crosss the societal norm, what is to stop them from crossing the next line? we already know that most gay men were molested as boys. Next the pedophiles will be fighting for their rights. lock her up and set the example for anyone who wants to prey on children.

    • Ivy Alston

      Brian, you are seeing this issue based on men who are in prison who raped women. How is that the same as Kaitlyn’s situation. The judge won’t judge/jury wll not determine her situation based on what other men did to other women. The decision will be based on what Kaitlyn was party to with the other young lady. That is sound law. If you stole a women’s purse when you were 18 and I stole a women’s purse when I was 18, the judge/jury isn’t going to say “hey give Ivy what you give Brian, just because he did it already, don’t bother to put Ivy on trial, Brian’s sentence is good enough for her. All the facts of the case will be taken into consideration. Fact that not one person on this forum know in full. And, Kaitlyn will be judged based on that. Kaitlyn will walk–watch. Why? Because she is a pretty white female, barely 18 and with her whole life in front of her. Trust me, the prisons aren’t running over with white, pretty blondes–and she has no other record. She’ll either get sentenced and it will be suspended, and end up with probation only, or she’ll do so little time that it wasn’t even worth taxpayers money bothering with the case. Is this fair. Yes, because this case is too stupid to even spend 50 cents on. All, the parents needed in this case was a stay away order, and Kaitlyn is staying away any way. She has to get on with life, date people her age, and become a pay-your-own-way member of society. Otherwise Brian, do you really want to pay for Kaitlyn to go to jail, don’t you know it cost about $78,000 yearly to keep a prisoner in jail. Why don’t you pay that bill Brian. I need to put a new deck on my house. I ain’t got it like that.

    • americanveteran

      18 is 18…..18 and 1 day = prison time!!!

    • Beverly

      Thank you for your comment, Ivy. I am living this right now with my, now 19 year old son, who started dating a girl in his high school who was 14 at the time. He was 18 and still in high school when the relationship first started. In WA state, the four year difference was applied. Now that he turn 19 and today she just turned 15, they are only looking at what their ages were yesterday. That made it a 5 year separation. He was arrested yesterday and is sitting in jail for statutory rape on $100,000 bail, with the possibility of 5 years in prison if convicted. My son is not a bad person. He is immature and in love. No amount of my telling him that this could happen would have stopped the two of them. Believe me, my husband and I tried! Now, he faces his life changing forever. I agree that just because a kid turns 18, does not make them an adult mentally. Some yes, but most aren’t ready to be adults. My son still acted like he was in high school. 18 is just a number that states felt was old enough. I disagree with it. I wasn’t an adult in my thinking then. Who was? Most kids that age go to college and aren’t adults till they graduate from it. I am not sure if the “Romeo and Juliet” law will apply to my son. The law has changed from what I am reading. I can only hope that his public defender fights hard for him and that the court sees that he has and will learn that what he and his girlfriend did was against the law. BTW, though his girlfriend was only 14, you wouldn’t have known it. She looked and acted like she was much older.

    • prettiyungthang

      I do not think the situation was manipulation… how do you know that the younger girl did not initiate the relationship… all of us are just speculating and don’t really know any of the facts… what good is our opinion going to do for them…nothing

    • Jim Trent

      Under the law it doesn’t matter if the minor initiated contact or not. The adult needed to walk away. It has never floated when the adult male says the female minor initiated contact. Even when the female minor says that she initiated. The answer was too bad the adult male should have walked away.

    • Jake Witmer

      That’s exactly the way Sharia law works! No second chances!

      …Unlike American law, where the jury often refuses to apply the law, in the interest of serving the higher law of contextual justice. It’s called “jury nullification of law,” and it’s your birthright, as an American. Well, of every decent American who doesn’t cave to the wishes of the police state.

    • 25800

      Just because your parents are progressive enough to allow you to come out of the closet, this young girls parents care enough to do the right thing, I think you are the bigot on this one !

    • screwoff

      there should be nothing wrong with someone being gay or lesbian. if it’s an adult/child relationship, that should be the issue. stuff the bible up your ass and gtfo, because doing the right thing shouldn’t be to tell your child they’re wrong for being gay.

    • 25800

      Hey screw, the right thing that the parents press charges against a rapist,homosexual or straight rape is rape now thats equality!!!

    • forasafernc

      well said 25800!

    • kenny

      I dont think that being gay was an issue. Being gay doesnt break the law. Enactment with an underage child in a sexual manner is against the law. She just happened to be gay as well. There is nothing wrong with this article and it should be a non story. The charges have nothing to do with her being gay. If she were a 17 year guy porking your 14 year old freshman in high school, you would have a problem just the same.Being gay certainly didnt help her here, but it wasnt why she got arrested at all. Guys have been arrested for statutory rape for years now. If this is what you chose, or was chosen for you, YOU need to understand the laws that you fall under. Ignorance is not bliss. You know folks arent going to like this, you know folks will chastise and come at you. At the very least, its incumbent upon you to know the rules of the game.You know how you have to act. Its almost like youre an educated Black person in America, lol. I think of it like this. Im a very successful Black male that retired early, completed my education and Im financially sound for life. I moved to a small country town in Ga and I have a very expensive SUV with nice wheels on it. Its incumbent upon me to make sure that my tags and registration are straight and that I have nothing outstanding. I know I stand out! Therefore, I need to make sure that my ducks are in order if Im making a lot of noise. Ive been pulled over 3 times in one day (when I first moved here) No tickets, but I expect these country cops to want to know how this guy lives better than them. You know they suspect it could be drugs. I just make sure that all my stuff is always legit and ok. If youre dating a chick and you know theres rules around it, dont you think you should find out since its getting so much attention? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. I think this is spot on!

    • Jake Witmer

      Nation of puritan hypocrites. “Because my rights got violated, hers should too… We shouldn’t show mercy on this noncrime…”

    • Ernest James Cox

      Honestly I don’t agree with the law! But men get prosecuted over the same exact thing when young 18 year old boys do the exact same thing and the minor initiated contact and these young guys were only a couple of months into the age of 18 as well! Do you agree these guys should not be prosecuted as well? If so then I am all for not prosecuting her! But if you think that males somehow should be prosecuted and not females then I am totally against you and want to see this young girl prosecuted under the full extent of the law! And for one I am completely aware under the rights of jury nullification nd in this case I would still find her guilty! We cannot show unequal treatment to her just because she is a woman when young men’s lives are ruined for the same thing. I was once almost tried for the exact same thing! My girlfriend was 15 and I was 18 and we dated up until I was 19 for 2 years! I was arrested and not found guilty! But plenty of other men’s lives have been ruined form this exact same thing! When the young ladies were the one’s to initiate and it was all consensual! This girl does not deserve any special treatment.
      And on the point of jury nullification! It does not always go the way you want Jake as a Juror I could decide that I do not want to nullify the law and want her to pay for the crimes she commited!

    • Jake Witmer

      “Do you agree these guys should not be prosecuted as well? If so then I am all for not prosecuting her!”

      OF COURSE. Only vindictive morons want to prosecute people for ANY mala prohibita. Your dedication to equal application of all laws (even the unjust ones) is stupid, and hide-bound.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Anderson/100000577372388 Eric Anderson

      Bigots? If an adult is having sex with MY child their sexual orientation isn’t going to be an issue for me. Dead is dead, either way.

      Keep your hate to yourself.

    • kenny

      But why is dead the last answer? A dead person feels no pain and doesnt know what he did wrong. Hell, thats a way out for a lot of folks. Now to put someone in a wheelchair for life. or blind them, that would be the ultimate penance.

    • Doug

      the mus lems do one thing right stone the per verts.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      You know very little about Muslim countries. Homosexuality and pedophilia are rampant in many of them. Have you ever heard of the Bachi Boys of Afghanistan? Men buy little boys from their families to raise them as their sex toys. This practice is widespread.

    • Lee Washington

      Do you actually expect this retard to have ANY ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE,,, shame on you. Read his comment,, it is all you need to know about him.

    • Bill_thompson95

      are you serious, Doug. Are yo really that ignorant?

    • Doug

      aany ho <mo that touches a child should be stoned the old way

    • Bill_thompson95

      maybe we should stone you and all the other slack-jawed yokels, Doug.

    • faze

      Dead? Oh, I forgot, this is Florida.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      Ok, lets define some things… By your “child” do you mean younger than high school or not? Lets assume (for the sake of the article) that your “child” is a HS freshman or sophomore. Now by adult do you mean 18? Since that’s what legally defines an adult lets go with it. So you’re telling me when a high school senior sees value in your daughter/son and wants to date them your immediate response is gonna be KILL!!! Hmmm… Your child’s high school life should be fun.

    • Mickey

      Let’s define “fun.” My 16 year old daughter has dated 18 year olds. As in “went to movies”, or “several couples went to an amusement park.”

      If your definition of “fun” requires screwing, then yes, it might result in gunshots. Or at the very least a call to the police, charges of statutory rape, and registration as a sexual predator.

      This girl is a CHILD, and is being messed with by an adult who should know better. The law wasn’t designed to stop kids from “having fun.” If “fun” begins and ends at your crotch I suggest you broaden your horizons. Otherwise you’re a pretty boring person.

      The line has to be drawn somewhere. The LAW, passed by elected representatives, draws it at 18. Where would you draw the line? 15? 12? 3? Kids have to be protected by law because fewer and fewer parents are interested in protecting them. They tend to think like you do: That kids are just miniature adults.

    • Roeschen

      Why do you consider them bigots? If I were the parents of the younger girl, I would also have initiated charges against the adult who was having an intimate relationship with my child. Would not matter if that adult was male or female – it is an adult/child thing that is wrong.

    • prettiyungthang

      come on you guys… 17, 18…. adults… really they aren’t really adults maybe in the eyes of the law, but hell the law doesn’t always do what’s right… 18 year olds can’t even buy liquor so to me they aint grown.. just think they are.. i think the situation is ridiculous… they just don’t want their daughter to be gay

    • Jake Witmer

      Yep. If you’re ever called for jury duty, don’t let the sociopaths kick you off and replace you with a vindictive. Peace.

    • guest

      What about the 18 year old MEN and WOMEN who bravely server our country in the military. You don’t think they are really adults.

    • doze

      I think people in the military are a bit different, than civilians, they are trained, retooled, etc. They are made into Soldiers(or whatever they prefer to be called) I wouldn’t call them kids. That being said an 18yr highschool student is a kid while an 18yr old Soldier(or whatever) is an adult(ish at least.) If they can’t act as an adult they shouldn’t be serving basically. Double standards for sure, but i dont see that as a problem.

    • Bill_thompson95

      no, they are misguided cannon fodder

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      There’s always two sides to every coin… Of course people who have the maturity and will to go into the armed forces at that age are more “adult like” then the high school graduates who sit at home, their parents home working at McDonalds (if that) and never amount to anything. But still, does being a legal age to serve the country constitute being an adult? Their country still tells them they aren’t responsible enough to buy alcohol yet they put assault rifles in their hands. To that end you can’t rent a car until you’re 25, does that mean you’ve reached the peak of your adult hood. “Yay mom, now I’m a grown up cuz I can rent a car, buy alcohol, cigarettes, and kill for my country!” It’s not so black and white.

    • Kress

      18 year olds are certainly not as grown up as they’d like everyone to think, but I do think that is old enough to know sex with a newly 15 year old is wrong. But the charges are too much, teenagers do much worse things when they’re battling all those unbalanced hormones.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      Thank you! First logical comment I’ve seen in a while…

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      Yes because a high school senior and freshman is the difference between adult and child, which constitutes rape when they decide to become sexually active… You try telling any high school student that and watch them laugh at your face.

    • Garage Logic Guy

      You obviously have no idea what a bigot is… In fact, you being intolerant of their beliefs, makes you the bigot!

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      They may be bigots which isn’t against the law, but the 18 year-old DID break the law and should not receive any preferential treatment.

    • gemma_sanji

      But doesn’t the law state that there can be a 4 year gap? like 14-18, 15-19, etc. I know there is that law in my state but it is 3 years.
      I am so confused that everyone says it’s illegal when it says right there that it is legal. Moral issues aside, is that the law? Did I read it wrong?

    • Kevin

      The law is funny to understand. In Florida, 16 is the age of consent. Meaning two 16 year olds can have sex without legal consequences. Yes there can be a 4 year gape if the person is over the age of 16. Meaning a 16 year old can have sex with someone up to 19-20. However I believe the law draws a limit at 21. Meaning a 17 year old cannot have sex with a 21 year old.

      The girl in question was 14. Not able to legally consent to sex.

      Not having an age limit where that line is drawn would be pretty silly. No one wants to see 10 and 14 year olds having sex.

    • gemma_sanji

      That cleared up ALOT. thank you! That makes much more sense, I didn’t think 21 year olds should be having sex with 16 year olds, this is much more clear

    • Gary McCurry

      Law is law but the older girl was seventeen when the relationship started, let’s not ruin the rest of her life.

    • localguy000

      SHE ruined the rest of her own life. NO ONE to blame but herself and the stupidity of her parents……PERVERTS

    • Kevin

      Respectfully, it seems there is a small amount of bias coming through your comment. Wouldn’t be a bit of a phobic would you?

    • The Snake

      Are you a heteraphobe?

    • Poppy Potts

      I think the comment is right on the money and I think that you sound a little perversion prone and possibly psychotic to boot.

    • Brian

      Well, then I guess about half of our teens are perverts? Or, are you saying only gays and lesbians who engage in sex at a young age are perverts? If you’re going to state an opinion, stick your neck out…don’t pretend you’re a turtle.

    • Poppy Potts

      smart ass, If half of our teens are perverts then its high time the parents started raising them and figure out whats wrong. To be a pervert is not a cool thing regardless of what the faddists think. thats why we have people dumping dead 5 yr old girls in intersections. They have a definite lack of moral character and they are who needs to be dead , not some defeenseless little girl.

    • InTheStone

      Brian- you are really over reaching on that subject… perhaps if you were just bit less extreme with your BS, you could be taken more seriously ?
      actually… no, probably not.

    • Edward

      When I was about to turn 18 my therapist was honest with me and said just have sex with girls 18 and older. The age of when the relationship started is not relevant. Only thing that matters is the age of the 2 people when they had sex.

    • Diane L Kearny

      I will, being a snapping turtle, stick my neck out. Just because this was an act of perversion committedd by a teen and carreied over to her adulthood does NOT excuse the fact it was pedophilia and subject to the same penalty whether hetero or homo.

    • Branoss

      The question here is if she was still having sexual relations with the younger woman after she had turned 18. If she didn’t then the law is overstepping in the sense that it was two minors engaging in sexual acts within a 4 year age difference. However if she was having sexual relations past 18 and the parents reported that AFTER the fact that she was indeed 18 and doing things with said younger girl then they could prosecute.

      However if the parents simply called immediately or very shortly after the girl turned 18 then they have no case as said above it was both done by minors within a 4 year age difference.

      I shall also throw in my opinion here but if you think that is pedophilia then what happens with all these people who are dating with people 20 years younger and more? Despite it not being illegal by your understanding it would still be considered pedophillia. You think that because legally they are consenting adults by law that morally it makes it ok? Look at celebrities for example certain celebrities are well over 20 years older than some of their partners and yet no one bats an eye just because of their status but a 14 and 17 year old is not ok? while i agree if she did continue doing things past 18 then she should have known better but but if she was simply had the police called on her the moment she turned 18 then this is simply the younger one’s parents doing this out of complete spite and or anger over the fact that their daughter was having homosexual relations. Either way you look at it its because the parents disapprove of homosexuality.

    • Diane L Kearny

      And I thought all of the arguments in support of homosexuality had been posted already but I was mistaken…….Branoss added one more to the list of hundreds.

    • Diane L Kearny

      And I thought all of the arguments in support of homosexuality had been posted already but I was mistaken…….Branoss added one more to the list of hundreds.

    • an obviously twisted situation

      not in support, obviously speculating as to the motives of the charges brought on by the “Victims” parents…and what are you besides spouting nonsensical shit.

    • Diane L Kearny

      Your supositions are not facts but furtherance it seems to me the chant of the NAMBLA crowd: “If you don’t get em by eight then it is too late”.

      The child no matter her sexual inclinations was at the mercy of an older girl who indulged in an act of perversion AFTER she turned 18. And the parents had no reason to suspect a homosexual act had taken place until then and had every right to ask the civil authorities to examine the matter which led to the felony charges brought against the ADULT who it seems had sex with the minor ONLY after the felon became an adult: “In September, shortly after Kaitlyn’s 18th birthday, the girls began dating, and they eventually expressed their affection for one another in intimate ways.”

    • an obviously twisted situation

      whos nambla? you just copy and pasted I understand the goverment lingo, I get the situation, obviously you dont. They knew eachother for over a year. its a 3 year difference its nothing. where exactly are you coming from? The bigoted parents stance or the law? btw im not the person you originally replied too…thought id point that out since you continue to not make any since whatsoever

    • Diane L Kearny

      All you need to do is put ‘NAMBLA’ into a Google or other search engine. For your benefit here is a link:
      http://evil-unveiled.com/NAMBLA

      Might you know the truth. The one who committed the pedophilic act only had sex with the minor AFTER the felon reached the age of 18 and the minor was still protected by laws pertaining to minors. This was according to all involved and all attest nothing but a close friendship before then.

      The adult committed a felony and it also is an act of pedophilia to which the indictment addressed therefore my linkage to NAMBLA as an aside.

      Did I make ‘since’ to you or might you better understand me if I instead used four lettered words and lowered myself to your standard?

    • an obviously twisted situation

      I dont care who nambla and im not going to waste my time reading about it. its a three year difference with a one year build up before hand. So your coming from the laws side…just a sheep barfing up information just like you were trained to in school. btw they go to school together in case you didnt catch that. Ah yes point out my spelling errors to get the higher ground in the whos smarter contest. you really need THE LAW for you to judge whats morally correct? dont forget the perfect spacing and punctuation, it makes you look like you actually have something to say.

    • an obviously twisted situation

      “Might you know the truth.” btw is 2013 you can drop the old english

    • Diane L Kearny

      It is not ‘old’ but rather what it is no matter the year or the reason for its use. Perhaps you might attack another old saying: ‘The truth shall set you free’.
      When was the last time you went into a store and instead of picking up a can with a label on it you instead decided to pick a can where the label had fallen off? Huh?
      Colleen has a picture up and you attack her while you hide in the shadows and take pot shots at others. Oh forgot, you did describe yourself as being in a ‘twisted situtation’.

    • same dude

      lets be honest here i was never the one comparing an honest opinion with man boy love supporters. and i just make this account to comment on this particular post. because yes the situation is twisted. and you cant compare mentalities with food, although i would support the companies with progressive mentalities and practices not the off brand cheerios.

    • Diane L Kearny

      Same Dude, I have no idea to what you are referring since I cannot seem to access your previous posts.

      The NAMBLA mention was not only an effort to explain the man/boy deviance but a like anaology to woman/girl. To defend one is to defend all for I see no difference in whether a male or female is involved.

      I have no idea how one would compare deviant sex (lust) to food (gluttony), each one of the deadly sins but perhaps if talking about overindulgence we might find agreement.
      I used the analogy of can food only in answering the referrence to labels made by ‘an obviously twisted situation’. Did you miss that?

    • colleen prinssen

      the national man boy love assicoation is happy to see people fighting for an adult who “made love to” someone under age. because, then, perhaps one day their 18 year old members can have sexy time with a 14 or 13 year old. or even 20 and 15 year olds.

    • an obviously twisted situation

      it really has nothing to do with this…neither of them are male. and the age gap is not that drastic. seems like you’ve put alot of thought into man boy love perhaps you should go review their page. I’m not fighting for anybody. there are absolutely no relevant arguments presented from a human standpoint all of you sound like robots hooked on “Groups” “parties” whatever you can use to put a label on somebody or their thoughts. Labels labels labels, attack attack attack. btw are you feeling ill? you look as if you’ve watched a lil bit to much man boy love in your picture.or maybe your just horrified with the realization your thoughts are worthless trash, recycled over and over again by clones of the same mindset.

    • colleen prinssen

      i am sure she still would have support if she were 19 and having sex with a 15 year old. if she knows how to play ‘victim card” well. and say she is getting harped on as a hate crime.

    • Bill_thompson95

      being gay is not a perversion. jeeze.

    • Bill Loukinjohn

      Being gay is textbook perversion to the max.

    • Harold

      It is the worst perversion there is.

    • Marbran

      I thought pedophilia was the worst perversion there is.

    • Glen3

      No, that would be progressivism. It is the enabler of all that is evil in the world.

    • WallE

      Harold, just because you’re old, you cannot use your ignorance as an excuse, just ask Paula Deen.

    • Spencer Patton

      To everyone that would like to know here is some information that we all need to make an informed and educated decission about the subjust of Homosexuality.
      The American Psycological Association changed the status of Homosexuality from a mental illness so that they could change the morals fiber of our Nation. If you want look up the DSM-2, DSM-3 and then the DSM-4 which is the criterion for the diagnostics for mental health disorders. I learned this when I had to take a class for my Az state certification to work as a Masters Level Professional in mental health. The Class was cultural PSY the University of Phoenix, the Prof instructing the course was was a tenured Prof at the University of Arizona as well.
      Not everything our society or education system is the truth and we all need to find out what the true is before we make up or minds about a given subject.

    • Marbran

      Our laws and our ‘moral values’ are merely tools to control the masses. Make no mistake about it: there are no laws that are made purely for altruistic purposes; every law ever passed gives one group an edge over another group. It is all calculated.

      To quote Thomas Jefferson: “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Notice that he means that any of us should be free to do as we please so long as we do not negatively impact anyone else’s freedom to do what they please. Any laws that go beyond this people versus people relationship is tyranny and loss of freedom, pure and simple.

    • cindy

      And now they have added “lack of Empathy” as a sign of mental illness; must be to make up for the homosexual symptom.

    • glorybe2

      Psychologists have always used a psychopathy measurement in diagnostics. Expressing it as an empathy index is probably more palatable for the public. If you are too much of a psychopath you have a problem. If you are not enough of a psychopath you are damaged goods as well. Without some psychopathic tendencies you will be a perpetual victim. If aggressive types sense that you have a very low degree of psychopathy it will actually trigger them to violate you one way or another.

    • RealFacts

      Reality never “changed the status” of sodomy.

    • EdwardGibbon

      Some people in the 70s decided it isn’t, and they could not have been more wrong. Watch civilization continue to decline as pervs become more powerful.

    • Poppy Potts

      the hell you say, its an abomination and a deviation and perversion and its too bad we can’t deal with it like it should be dealt with

    • Ed Belsinger

      Not too long ago in this country it was not uncommon or unacceptable for a girl to be wed at 15 or younger. So try not to throw too many stones, you might be a prime candidate for recruitment by the Taliban.

    • wygent

      Yeah Ed, and not too long ago you could go buy yourself a slave too. You could also lock your kids up and starve them or beat them till they bled or beat your wife senseless in this country not too long ago. Please, get informed. Children under 16 don’t make great decisions about sexual issues. Allowing adults to take advantage of that fact is damaging to the child and to society. That’s why we don’t let 18 year olds have sexual relationships with 15 year olds. Get it?

    • Ed Belsinger

      Yeah Adolph I got it

    • Brian

      I guess Ed here either doesn’t have daughters, is a perv himself or he’s been in this situation before.

    • InTheStone

      jeez Brian, that’s a pretty good guess !
      golly, perhaps you are almost ready to attempt an educated guess? … well,… maybe in a few years.
      you wouldn’t want to get in over your head… I have noticed you have a bad habit of doing that.
      perhaps you wouldn’t mind letting the adults talk now, maybe go have a bowl of ice cream?

    • Thomas Payne

      Condescending Liberal prick. Why don’t you go play with your crayons. Maybe insert them where your gay buddies would like them inserted.

    • Thomas Payne

      Or maybe your too busy with your NAMBLA news letter?

    • maxonepercent

      Only a pedophile would complain about statutory rape laws.

    • Marbran

      How is he complaining? He is joining the discussion by pointing out that the laws change over time.

      In 1880, the age of consent in the US ranged from a low of 7(!) in Delaware to a high of 12 in about 2/3 of the states. Beyond 12, there were no restrictions, however sex outside of marriage was severely frowned upon. The age has slowly increased over the last century to take into account the changes in our society. Kids go to school until 17-18 today, whereas in the past most were done school by 8th grade (age 13-14) and they were smarter for it back then. (Take a look at an 8th grade final from the late19th century.) Mexico’s age of consent today is 12-14, with about half of Mexico’s states using 12. Is Mexico a country of all “pedophiles?”

      BTW, pedophilia only applies to prepubescent children, not teens.

    • maxonepercent

      Anyone who wants to quibble about the definition of “pedophilia” is also probably a pedophile. In modern America a person can belong to one of TWO legally-defined groups ; Adults and Minors. Adults who pursue sexual relationships with minors are therefore legally defined as pedophiles. If you don’t like it take your argument up with the courts.

      Also, why should what people did in the past or in 3rd world countries have to do with how we protect our children in the US today? In 1880 it was also totally acceptable to hang suspected rapists in broad daylight if they had the wrong colored skin, and don’t even get me started on the sexual exploitation of minors in Mexico. I mean, do you not realize that these kind of arguments only make you seem even more creepy?

    • InTheStone

      Max- I bet your mommy still describes you as her
      “Extra Special” boy… doesn’t she.
      (I’m not saying that you are an idiot… but it IS what most folks are thinking after reading the drivel that you post,.. I just didn’t want you to be the last to know it…)

    • maxonepercent

      Considering your proven inability to write complete, coherent sentences and your elementary-school level vocabulary, I your childish attempt to insinuate that I am an idiot is both pathetic and ironic to say the least.

    • Marbran

      It isn’t “quibbling” over the definition. I am simply pointing out that social mores change over time, in either direction. In the 17th century American colonies, women who showed more skin in public than just their faces and hands were considered harlots and were roundly vilified for doing so. Yet in this same period, girls marrying at age 14 was not considered unusual.

      You can call me a pedophile all day if that makes you feel like your argument is the better for it, but we the readers know it doesn’t. Ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of those losing the argument.

    • maxonepercent

      The reason I call you a pedophile is because you seem unduly fixated on the sexual behavior of children and arguing against legal restrictions upon that behavior. If we were to base all of our current laws upon history we would still have slaves and people could be hung for stealing cars

    • Marbran

      “Unduly fixated?” This is a discussion about the very topic! You are an idiot!

      I’m done with you. No more responses for you.

    • Shane Johnson

      no not really

    • maxonepercent

      yes, really

    • Shane Johnson

      uhm no….dude half of these fucking pedophiles don’t even know what a statutory rape law is thus for what’s there to complain about.

    • Shane Johnson

      and just because they complain doesn’t always target them as a fucking sex offender or much worse a public pedophile….I don’t speak for everybody…but I will speak for as many as I can.

    • maxonepercent

      You are quite obviously a pedophile or you wouldn’t be getting nearly so upset over this.

    • Shane Johnson

      Hahahaha…no I am not a pedophile…I am actually an ex-marine scout sniper…I know what’s right and wrong in this world….and you are not right.

    • Shane Johnson

      and you inspect me to listen to you when you reply yes, really?…you are no sharp sword nor pencil…thus meaning you must state your argument and not reply with half wit statements. But I can some what see from where you are coming from and it is still politically incorrect.

    • maxonepercent

      “you inspect me” – clearly you are illiterate, go bother someone else

    • Shane Johnson

      And I’m not illiterate you little fuck…go to hell and never come back…maybe then you can shape yourself up.

    • Shane Johnson

      I tried agreeing and this is the outcome…FUCK YOU…I am done agreeing with people…I was always a lone wolf…I spoke for myself and not for the team…that’s why I was the best…..clearly your not.

    • laslavic

      yea really…the next word you look up hebephile . The whole Catholic Priest affair involving adolescent boys and young men was messed with by the over the top east coast anti Catholic media machine to distract the simple fact that these men hiding in the priesthood violated with few exceptions only adolescent boys. Since the new psychiatry demand that all pedophiles regardless if they are only attracted to males must be defined as heterosexuals so as not to besmirch the stellar record of gay men with younger dudes they choose to define these priests as pedophiles so the media could legitimately not call them gay priests. You know like the PSU football coach that had a thing for boys was a flaming heterosexual by the new logic

    • InTheStone

      laslavic- Boy, you just make s hit up as you go along… don’t you.
      ahh… good stuff though.

    • Glen3

      What a load of crap. A lot of those laws are non-sensical. A seventeen year old can’t consent? I was doing a whole lot of consenting prior to eighteen. As were the majority of my friends. Criminalizing teen sex as if it were the same as pedophiles raping prepubescent children is asinine.

      Could you not get laid back in high school, or are you just obtuse?

    • maxonepercent

      You clearly have trouble with basic comprehension, she is not being charged for the sex that occurred before she was 18 you insufferable idiot. And statutory rape laws have been on the books for nearly a century in most jurisdictions. The law has to drawn at a certain age no matter how you look at it, though I suppose a pedophile like you would probably just prefer if all statutory rape laws were taken off the books so you could have your way with little girls whenever you wish.

    • Marbran

      Libturd! See…we can cast aspersions on the Internet, too, you idiot!

    • maxonepercent

      I am not a liberal by a long shot bud, in fact the people who usually advocate in favor of pedophilia are on the left side of the political spectrum so i think you might want to do a little self-reflection upon your political attitudes.

    • Marbran

      Thank you. Max just wants everyone to follow the laws blindly without question. That’s what good sheeple do.

    • InTheStone

      and that would make you the Expert…
      Brilliant…. now STFU,
      and have a nice day !

    • maxonepercent

      Is this supposed to make sense?

    • JONDO

      Its not the statuary rape laws that are a problem, Its the people that enforce the law, They have no common sense.

    • Guest

      well you are just a whiney little bitch aren’t you eddie?

    • Marbran

      Curous…how is “Allowing adults to take advantage of that fact is damaging to the child and to society” when it was obviously not damaging to the child and society in the past. What changed in society, besides a losing of morals that would have kept a girl’s legs closed until marriage, of course.

    • Jen

      I’m curious how you came to the conclusion that it was “obviously not damaging to child and society in the past.”

    • Marbran

      Uh, because all numbers of young teenagers were getting married in the past. And let’s not conflate the term child with teen. Prepubescent children are not the class we are talking about here. This is about an 18.-y.o. girl having sex with her 15-y.o. girlfriend. She in trouble because the law in her state says no 18-y.o. can have sex with someone younger than 16.

    • maxonepercent

      Well, for one thing the average life expectancy has changed dramatically. For another thing, up until the 20th century any sex outside of marriage was basically considered rape and often punishable by death. A woman, regardless of age, could never consent to sex unless she were married.

    • Marbran

      Has it really? Go back and check the life spans of most people in history and you see they all lived to be about the same 60-70 as today. I think we’ve added about 10 years to the average, making us today more like 70-80. It is a myth that people were dying at 40 in years past, unless you go back to maybe 2000 BC. Even then, I question the myth. Plato was 80; Euripides, 74; Ghengis Khan, 65; Confucius, 72. I could go on and on.

      Your 2d point is stupid, considering that brothels have been around forever in the West. Therefore sex outside of marriage was not considered rape except by very puritanical communities. Try again. The US in the past was not all Quakers, you know.

    • maxonepercent

      You are clearly an idiot, the reason the average life expectancy is so much higher now is because child mortality and the deaths of mother’s during labor have both fallen dramatically in the past 50 years. This also has to do with the age of parents, since before modern medicine because the chances of dying during childbirth increased with the age of the mother and roughly half of all children born would die before adulthood, meaning that it was important that every woman have has many children as possible during her youth.

      Also, just because prostitution existed doesn’t mean it was legal. Look it up, throughout most of the 19th century in the US it was illegal everywhere, the laws were just poorly enforced.

    • Glen3

      We also infantilize our kids until their mid twenties these days. Get some historical perspective and quit trying to judge everything from your limited modern perspective.

      Your’e the one that needs informing. do you get it?

    • maxonepercent

      The world is a completely different place. During the 19th century it was not uncommon for children to be worked to death in mines and factories. By your logic we should start putting toddlers back into sweatshops.

    • Glen3

      Are you really this stupid? From your bleating erratic responses it s clear my logic s beyond your, albeit extremely limited, comprehension. Just sit back and try to read. The adults are talking now.

    • maxonepercent

      What logic? You are basing your entire argument on something that didn’t even happen in this case. this is an adult being charged for statutory rape on a child 3 or 4 years younger than herself. This has nothing to do with “two 17 year olds having sex” idiot.

    • Glen3

      Again reading comprehension escapes you. I suggest suicide. Best thing for you, really. This conversation is going nowhere.

    • maxonepercent

      At least I am not a child molester…

    • Marbran

      You sure like to stretch the truth, don’t you? Again, most of those “children” in the factories had graduated the 8th grade (12-13 y.o.) and had no more schooling to do, so they went to work. Quite the opposite of today where 26-y.o. men are still considered children. That’s the problem with libs/progs: they never want to grow up and be responsible.

    • maxonepercent

      Are you kidding me? Are you really advocating for child labor? Also, I don’t know where you come up with these absurd stats about the age of child laborers, according to wikipedia in the early 1900′s children as young as age 3 were put to work! In fact, certain jobs (such as chimney sweep or some factory positions) basically required very young children as workers because they were the only ones who could get into small spaces.

      Also, I am not a liberal or progressive by any stretch of the imagination, in fact I have a very hard time believing that someone who considers himself to be a “conservative” would oppose statutory rape laws!

    • Marbran

      Except the Taliban allows marriage and then sex as young as 9, but will throw stones at anyone who has sex before marriage. So in this case, Kaitlyn would be stoned to death for 1) homosexuality, and 2) sex before marriage. However, she could have been married off to a man half her lifetime ago and be perfectly fine in the eyes of Allah. Ain’t religion grand?

    • Glen3

      I thought you liberals were supposed to show tolerance, and celebrate ‘diversity’?

    • Marbran

      Huh?

    • cindy

      The Taliban would have killed the two girls.

    • Poppy Potts

      sounds like you are in tight with the taliban . are you as stupid as you pretend to be?

    • cindy

      I know you are but what am I.

      When at a loss for logic, call someone a name. Let me guess, you are a liberal.

    • Marbran

      …unless you are this guy.

    • Marbran

      No disputing that statement.

    • govskeptic

      In some backward countries marriage at 10 is OK. Should we
      accept that as a standard as well? Ed, where’s your moral
      stop age for this conduct or do you have one?

    • Poppy Potts

      he doesn’t have a moral stop age: Its old enuf to pee is old enuf for me with eddie

    • Poppy Potts

      Oh bullshit

    • Glen3

      Yep. Before WW2 when 80% of American society was based around agriculture, they got the girls started early. Neo-natal care didn’t exist, nor did anti-biotics or inoculations for most diseases. Women had a shorter window to have kids and the mortality rate of children was much higher. Lots of kids were needed back then to run the farms and the businesses that serviced the farms.

      Since most kids did not go to high school back then, socialization was different as well. So many girls were married off by their mid teens.

    • Gary McCurry

      I’d be bad if we all had to pay for everything we done wrong. I sure don’t live in a glass house. There are one of us who haven’t broken the law at one time or another and young-ins, well this just have to learn from their mistakes but not jailed for their hormones kicking in. It ain’t like the boy was 10 or 12.

    • yoyo

      I may have broken a few laws myself but sleeping with kids is not one of them.

    • tulet

      My parents wed in the 60′s. Mom was 16, dad was 21. Starting a relationship at the middle teen years is nothing new. The 2 girls were in a relationship. The parents did not approve. What if it had been a boy of their liking that was the same age as Kaitlyn? Would they have made the same decision? I think not.

    • JimmyBiden

      No parent is going to consent to their 14 year old kid in any relationship when the age of consent it 16.

    • adam

      she is a kid herself

    • Poppy Potts

      me neither

    • jollygreen

      Everything was fine until your last word. That was not needed.

    • Blah

      Spoken like a true homophobe

    • wygent

      WE are not ruining her life. She chose to behave in a manner that is inconsistent with our societal norms. She failed to put the long-term interests of a child ahead of her own sexual desires. Society expects all of us to protect children. She chose desire over ethical behavior and will be forced to pay for that choice. She ruined her own life when she damaged the life of a person who is legally and physically a child.

    • glorybe2

      Except real social norms are covert and rarely admitted by the masses. For example marriage is normally temporary and we marry serially these days. But people almost universally babble about life long marriages etc.. Adultery may well be the average mode of behavior. Incest is common as well.
      I have been in groups where men all claim that they do not use prostitutes yet when a good looking street hooker sticks out her thumb the brakes slam on so hard that it is a wonder the frames of the cars do not bend like a banana. Probably better than 80% of men will instantly go for a sharp looking young hooker on the spot. Yet they will pretend to support “cleaning up the town”.

      We had one local mother that was going door to door in a strip mall and showing her 13 year old daughter for hire. The small business owners were jumping on this almost to a man. The cops had to stop making arrests as this young girl was doing so many business owners that it was threatening to seriously disrupt too many businesses.

    • SteveHinPNW

      Oh for G*d’s sake… the older girl was 17 and travelled in the same social circles as the younger girl and they developed a relationship (which presumes mutual consent – and a 14 year old is certainly capable of making the judgement of who she “likes”) which turned physical (again, apparently by mutual consent) before the older girl turned 18 – they were friends before the relationship turned romantic. From the sound of things, the younger girl’s parents are the ones with their knickers in a twist because they don’t approve of their daughter being gay, and waited until the older girl turned 18 to make a stink about it. When I was under 18 (in the early ’70s) my school chums were experimenting with plenty of sex… pretty normal and non threatening I would say. If this was between a BOY and a girl, my guess is that it would not even make a blip on the radar. From the wording of Florida’s laws, as both were under 18 and less than 4 years of age apart, the relationship the two girls had isn’t even illegal. Get over your phobic selves!

    • wygent

      Trust me, if this were a guy 18 and a 14 year old girl, there WOULD be charges filed and if it were your child being sexually enticed by an older kid whom you didn’t like or trust you would be screaming too. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with this one. People who are chronological adults are required to behave responsibly and not take advantage of little kids. Had the older girl talked the younger out of the money in her piggy bank, it would have been reprehensible – conning her into sexual experimentation is even more so.

    • Poppy Potts

      You sir are a sniveling whining hell raising radical pervert . Just shut your pie hole People need to start catching these perves that mess with their kids and slitting their throats and throwing them into the hog pen.

    • Poppy Potts

      I think it was probably the younger girl that got her life ruined, I am sure her parents think so.

    • CW

      It was her choice, likely supported by liberal parents who also should be accountable. Choice has consequences.

    • memphis30

      She was 18when she started having sex with a 14 year old.

    • slapnuts_69

      Why not? It was her choice to break the law. It’s not US ruining her life. The blame falls solely on HER shoulders. I have a clear conscience

    • Jasonrad

      LMFAO – yes let’s not ruin her life. She should be treated the same as boys in her situation. Oh wait, hey had there lives ruined because they broke the law and are now registered sex offenders. So much for equality! I have an idea Gary, why don’t you explain to the younger girl’s parents and the parents of all those boys sent to jail and prison your position? Do you advocate taking sexual advantage of a 14 year old by a seventeen year old? Doubtful. So why are you taking the stance you are? Do you enjoy stories of pedophiles who are women preying on other women?

    • colleen prinssen

      nah. the real story came out. unless they became non sexual lovers before school. but Kate has an August birthday. and ooh. Nobody wants to be friendzoned. not even 14 year old Lesbians. so sad.

    • Brian

      You actually had to ask this?

    • C. Adkins

      -no one except the U.N.

    • Deejay

      It’s not about the law the law is clear, it’s about parents getting upset that their teen daughter is sexually active and feeling like they have fail as parents so they want mess up the older teens’ life but it’s not going to stop their kid from having sex if they want have sex the parents need to face the fact their little girl is giving it up and will continue giving it up if she’s 14 or 17 , and I’m willing to bet these same parents that trying to ruin this teen girl/boy life had teen sex get over it

    • tom

      i believe it said they did not have a relationship until the older girl was 18 and the younger girl was 15. Still a little questionable but I bet I could go to any high school in my town and i would find a 18 year old senior that has a 15 year old girlfriend and dont you believe that 15 yr old girls are not having sex in these day…there are girls that are getting pregnant at the age of 13…..i always wonder that too as a HS senior I was 18 and my girlfriend was 16 which was rather common at the time. I would guess that there were some that had girlfriends that were 15 as many seniors are 18 prior to their graduation. 17 and 14….i just cant recall…..

    • guest

      That doesn’t make it legal or right.

    • Ivy Alston

      No it doesn’t make it legal, but what me and guest – Tom are saying is that nearly every 18 year old high school student might just be doing exactly what Kaitlyn is doing, so we need to make it clear in school policy not just the written law, because most teens are not caring about the law anyway, otherwise they wouldn’t be texting and driving and about to kill everyone on the road, not that they are the only ones doing it–texting that is–but what we need are student handbooks that tell students the minute you turn 18 don’t date the other kids in high school because you might end up in jail. That might not be something that 18 year olds in high school are told by administrators. And, if we quit being so scared to talk sensibly about sex and homosexuality then maybe we can really save kids from prison, because after all they are the responsibility of taxpayers once they are behind those prison walls.

    • bigspiker7@gmail.com

      Isn’t it still a parents job to tell a kid what moral standards are? You can’t pass this on to school staff. If parents tell kids it’s OK to have sex at 15, and the state law says 16, should we jail the parents for contributing to their delinquency? My father sat me down on my 18th birthday and told me I was on my own and that any decison I made I had to now live with the consequences. Ove the next few years I made some good decisions and some really bad ones. I paid for the bad ones and moved on and tried to be a better person.
      There are bad parents everywhere, and kids make bad choices, some with bad parental advice, some with great parental advice. I feel for this kid, and the consequences seem realy harsh, but let’s see what a jury does with the case and how the judge sentences if they get to that point before we start screaming injustice and how wrong this all is….There is a system in place that is supposed to be fair.. let’s see how it works..

    • Marbran

      Good that you mentioned the jury. This case would be a great national case if the jury would just nullify the law in question. The jury has that power, although they are rarely informed that they have it.

    • Marbran

      We used to know this as teens back in the 80′s. We all knew the term “jail bait” and whenever a guy in our group turned 18 we’d have a blast letting him know which girls were now off limits to him, or face going to jail for statutory rape. Some 18 y.o guys would still bang the 14-15 y.o. though.

    • PickupaBook

      This is what happens for putting 9th grade in high school instead of having junior high schools. If the schools were separated like they use to be; the girls would have never met and everything would be fine. As well as, you wouldn’t have 18 year old boys dating 14 and 15 year old girls talking them into sexual endeavors. They changed the Junior High into Middle school and added 9th grade to high schools when I was in 8th grade. It shocked me when I found out that some of the guys in my class were asking the 6th grade girls out to dances and skating and then when in 9th grade the seniors pounced on the freshmen. One Senior tried to get with me and I laughed at him because I knew why they weren’t going after the girls closer in their own ages. Government ruins everything.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      I hate to burst your bubble, but regardless of how you lived your life at 15, I can say with certainty that some of your friends were going after high school boys and offering sexual favors, not being the damseling victims in distress that you make them out to be. Girls are sexual creatures to and some find that out younger than others. Boys are the only ones with hormones here. And to that end, whether schools are separated or not wouldn’t make a difference. I’m mean sure maybe in this instance it might not have but on a general basis, couples don’t meet exclusively in schools. Or if that is the case then explain to me how HS Juniors and Seniors end up dating college freshman and sophomores. Hate to say it but the whole “this is what happens when…” is almost always a recipe for a bad opinion.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      aren’t*

    • Marbran

      It doesn’t make it legal. Right and wrong are fluid and will always change with each generation. Being gay was very, very wrong when I came up in the 70′s. Come on, even Liberace’s gayness was ignored because people refused to acknowledge homosexuals at all. His fans denied that he was gay, all the while. Wow.

    • glorybe2

      Actually Liberace made a big point of claiming not to be gay. He sued a major newspaper for millions for saying that he was gay. I think it was the New york Times. That was in the 1940s.

    • Ivy Alston

      No I certainly don’t want to see 10 and 14 year olds having sex, but come to Washington, DC, LA, New York, and they are not only having sex, but having babies. I have a friend who had a baby at 15, pregnant at 14, three kids by 20. Kids need to be taught at a very early age in this over sexed marketed society that sex unprotected, underage, and unmarried will give them life times of grief. I am watching it daily in my community. There are so many 14-16year olds with babies, that they would make this Florida case swim with shock. But then again, my mother was married at 15, had me at 19, her third child, and that was in the 50s, when no body was stopping kids from having sex, not that it was right, but you can see the transformation of society. I think the victims parents are more ashamed of their daughter having gay sex, than they are of anything. I’m sure that is a shock to them. But they have to look at themselves also, there are many, many sides to every families story…and this story is just one fiber in their history. I’m sure many families find out all of this and deal with it in many different ways, and it doesn’t probably always end up in the court of law. What will they do when their daughter is 18 and having gay sex. This is situation is about many things, the parents of both girls, the “victim” Kaitlyn and all of us here on Discus. Most sound like fools who never have done one single thing to be ashamed of in their whole lives, and they are throwing as many fast/furious stones at Kaitly that they can.

    • cocomo64

      One of the best replies yet, thank you.

    • yoyo

      First of all preacher, check yaself. I for one am new to this story. I keep reading gay this and gay that. I could care less if this chick is gay. But sleeping with a 14 year old is just DISCUSting! Now, DISCUS that.

    • faze

      Florida and Texas make up the bowel of America. Ignorant bigots abound, under every rock and nook and cranny. Anyone with any sense should leave!

    • Ed Belsinger

      Apparently your state has at least one moron.

    • gson97

      Apparently you do not live in Texas and for that I am grateful! Bigots and ignoramuses abound everywhere! At least we have the mentality to make intelligent responses rather than generalized pundits!

    • jollygreen

      I guess you live there according to you.

    • LroF5LFjiB

      All states ran by Democrat liberals are the bowels of America. Not all the people in these liberal ran states agree with liberal godless derelict politicians. They have no choice at the polls because the takers out number the givers. The Democrats have been slowly but surely enslaving more and more people on the government tit. So as the the liberals take over the morals disappear and their perverted logic prevails. Thank God I left Illinois 30 years ago!

    • faze

      Another Texan, copying someone else’ line! Texans talk big because they have inferiority complexes. They’re climate deniers, even as their state begins to dry up and turn to desert.

      What’s most curious about Texas is that it made its early start as an oil state, and will eventually be brought down to an environment that will not support life.

      Buffet owns water flow rights to big Texas cities.

      Then, there is Rick “Buffoon” Perry. How many Americans know that the Texas Governor’s office is mostly titular; that there is no real power?

      Texas needs to disappear, and in a way, it already has. It’s become more and more an irrelevant state, except for the Yahoos in their 10 gallon hats and over-sized inferiority complex egos.

      Don’t get me wrong; they are good people in Texas – liberal and conservative – but they’re outnumbered.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      Because without christianity this nation would be completely stripped of all morals and all conservative politicians are saints… Wait, did I miss something?

    • glorybe2

      Florida is flooded with people from New Jersey and New York. Native Floridians are rare in the most populated part of the state. Texas is almost unmatched in their insanity. But more and more we see legal and social practices being bent towards that NYC mode of thinking. I loath it. I’ve been in Florida since 1953. As far as sex and young people there was a huge shift when the Beetles hit the top and also when pot became somewhat common. The 1950′s and early 1960s for white, suburban girls meant sex was off the table. By 1965 things changed big time.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      Actually my best friend’s gay brother is moving to Texas, says he loves it there. Very welcoming and hospitable. Guess you can’t always go off stereotypes, cuz that would be ignorant.

    • faze

      Don’t get me wrong: Texas does have liberal pockets, just like every other Neanderthal State in America. Discounting for generalization is fair game, unless you take it to the opposite extreme, wouldn’t you say?

    • memphis30

      The age of consent in FL is 18. They made an exception for 16-17 year olds who had sex with people less than four years older. But the victim in this case was 15, and unable to consent even under the exception.
      Most parents would object to their 15 year old having sex with an 18 year old.
      The gay community is having fits because a large proportion of the gay community is introduced to sex during their teen years by older gays. Since there’s no chance of them getting pregnant, that’s OK with liberals.

    • Jake Witmer

      The law is arbitrary, capricious, evil, and dictated by puritanistic sociopaths who managed to get elected, by promising the impossible to the gullible. In the early days of America, the jury would have thrown out the micromanagement of our lives, but our republic is old and parasite-ridden. We let the government take control of schooling in 1900 (Vermont was the last state to cave in) and 13 years later we had a central bank and the first drug prohibition laws, …and the Bill of Rights could be slowly picked off.

      If you want to do your part, learn your rights as a juror: you’re superior in power to the judge, but if you say so, you never get seated, and a punishing moron takes your place. Get seated, if you’d want to be tried by someone like yourself.

    • Redskins

      Oh boy, one of those.

    • Ed Belsinger

      I could stand to have a few more of them, seems to make sense to me. But then again I am not an Ostrich wit my head buried in the sand.

    • ResearchGuy

      “We’ve got one that can _see_!”

    • Kevin Rerko

      You just described Obama in your initial comment “…promising

      the impossible to the gullible.”

    • Lee Washington

      Obama ??? How about G Bush,, giving the much to the few,,, What an idiot you are. Obama only promised to not allow the rich to take ALL of the money and you poor idiots are angry with him for it. Racist before survivalist,, wow. Todays poor wannabe republican.

    • Kevin Rerko

      You pile of crap have said nothing in defense of any logical argument. Race-baiting chimp yell elsewhere.

    • Teacher

      Is it statutory rape or not I always though that if one kid was 16 a one was 18 the younger one was under age therefore seduced QED

    • Kevin Rerko

      I’m not sure…I didn’t comment on that but on another issues brought up by Mr. Washington and his nonsense.

    • gson97

      What a great first sentence!!! I may have to “steal” that!!

    • Jake Witmer

      Thank you. …It’s not stealing, I give it to you freely. :)

      You never need my permission to use or “steal” a sentence of mine,
      and if you think it’s good, then use it. Feel free to give me
      attribution for it, if you want to look optimally responsible.

      The Founding Fathers came up with the language of the Declaration by committee, and none cared to fight for credit: they just wanted the result of individual freedom. One example is that Jefferson’s first draft said “He has deprived us of the right to jury trial.” This was later softened with the qualification “in some cases,” because in many cases, jury trials were still granted, since the right to a proper jury trial had been won by the British “Levellers” in the 1650s. Making claims that King George III was worse than he was would have undermined their cause, and made the colonists seem less credible.

    • bigspiker

      I bet you still call the police when a crack head breaks into your house to steal your flat screen for dope money…Go to any other country and see how their laws apply. The reason this country is great is because we have laws that are followed and courts that for the most part try to follow them. Jurors are supposed to be fair and impartial. You my freind have an agenda…which is why you will never be on a jury.. unless to lie during the selection, which is a crime becuase you are under oath.. which would make you a criminal.. your choice… live the the consequences. That is our country.. You can leave any time you find someplace better.

    • Marbran

      bigspiker, you really do not understand American jurisprudence. The reason for the jury is that they represent the will of the community at the time of the trial, which can be many, many years after a law was passed. That’s why they have the power to overrule the judge and the law. If the jury feels that the law is unjust, that the law does not represent the interests of the community, then the jury can throw out the law, and the charges filed in violation of that law. Judges and attorneys get rid of ‘activist jurists’ whenever they can because such people undermine their authority. They do not like people undermining their authority. The judge will purposely instruct a jury that they can’t do this, or they should do that, all in an effort to corral the power of the jury, a power that sadly far, far too many jurists are unaware that they have.

    • Redskins

      No!

    • yoyoyo

      If you are 18 why in the world would you want to date a 14 year old other than to get her knocked up? Get real and grow up. That’s nasty. You are an adult, messing with someone who uisn’t even fully developed yet. The devil is a lie!!
      LAW IS: If you are 21 and above, you should not be with someone under 18. If you are 18, you should not be with someone under 16. Period. You know the laws and you still break them. But when you get caught, oh that’s wrong! Whatever. If a boy 18 tries to touch my little girl and she is 15, we got problems.

    • robcobbjr5253

      Boys get convicted of this every week you girls want equality here it is break the law like a guy go to jail like a guy

    • Derek

      They were both still in high school. Who gives a shit?

    • Rott117

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but the original law states that a woman is considered an adult at age 18…21 for males. Because the girl/woman is 18, that is why she is being prosecuted.

    • Nitro

      I’ve had sex with many 16 & 17 year olds at 21 and beyond. It’s fine. Laws don’t have to apply to everyone

    • John

      And they were males dating young girls, possibly might get them pregnant. The law has not caught up to different acts, so they are trying to apply this.

    • TheWhiteRabbit

      That is true, however the relationship had ended by the time Kaitlyn turned 18. Only once she turned 18 did the young girls parents file charges. (I am from the area this happened in and had friends at their high school)

    • Merced

      @781b25cabe3529b6a29d77c8a6c2f357:disqus Not according to the arrest affidavit. Kaitlyn was born 8/14/1994. She turned 18 in August of 2012. The relationship started in November of 2012. Your facts are incorrect. Kaitlyn and her family want you to think this is a case of vengeful parents…its not.

    • prettiyungthang

      people can manipulate documents to get what they want

    • americanveteran

      now why do you want to drag obama and his cronies into this mess?

    • prettiyungthang

      what the hell are you talking about… who mentioned obama

    • cmv

      , “Kaitlyn began dating a female schoolmate at the beginning of the school year, when the younger girl was 14 and she was 17″

    • cmv

      In September, shortly after Kaitlyn’s 18th birthday, the girls began
      dating, and they eventually expressed their affection for one another in
      intimate ways.”

      so they need to find out which one is true.

    • Jake Witmer

      Why don’t the puritans all just fuck off and die? That’s the real burning question –not which witches can we burn. Ya fuckin’ lynch mob of mental midgets.

    • localguy000

      Jake the only mental midget here is you……….fuck off you pervert.

    • LEP

      Troll go home!

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Thank you! Thank you! for saying what we’ve all been thinking.

    • dozr

      Caroline Redbrook, only slackjawed idiots are thinking the same way that localguy000 is thinking.

    • faze

      localguy000 likes to call people names – like calling the young girls perverts. Here’s my guess: localguy doesn’t have a job, and if he does it’s some minimum wage service job that he hates; he also hates his life; he doesn’t have anything more than a high school diploma (if that); he probably reads the Bible and call himself Christian (Jesus would be ashamed of him!); hes intolerant of anything he doesn’t understand; he’s probably violent at times, because he doesn’t have the coping skills necessary to deal with life; he needs help, and it to be pitied.

    • Lee Washington

      No, he does NOT/could NOT read the Bible,, he just makes his absurd opinions up..

    • dozr

      apparently everyone is a pervert if they disagree with you “localguy000″

    • Bill_thompson95

      wow

    • Marbran

      What a great addition to the discussion. Thanks.

    • Kevin Rerko

      Mental midgets? What is on your curriculum vitae? Obviously you aren’t one for critical thinking on issues because your only argument is to insult others who have points you can’t follow or understand. Maybe because you are inclined to participate in various illicit or homoerotic behaviors of your own right?

    • dog31743t

      OH MY! THAT HURT.

    • Marbran

      People keep electing the ‘puritans.’ Until the People tell the politicians that we are tired of their micromanaging, these kinds of laws will just grow. Only you have the power to stop them.

    • dog31743t

      Makes no difference, the girl was under age and legally not able to consent to sex. My god what is so difficult to understand here?? You cant have it both ways just because it was two girls. the older girl here broke the law and deserves punishment. if it was a boy there would be no consideration of anything other than the law.

    • Insanitea

      I would consider other things. The notion that a High School Senior dating a Sophomore is of a cloth with an adult preying on a prepubescent child is absurd.

    • dog31743t

      The point is there is nothing else to consider. it is illegal. period. I was not dating it was SEX. with a child!!!

    • Marbran

      Yup, So long as the law says it is illegal, it is illegal. Period.

    • dog31743t

      thank you for the clarity.

    • Jake Witmer

      Derp derp. Good thing you weren’t a juror on William Penn’s trial for the crime of preaching the Quaker religion in public, or you’d have mindlessly voted against the precedent that gave us all of Western civilization, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. Also, Thomas Jefferson (a minarchist who favored the jury as the primary means of limiting government power, and vetoing unjust laws) and Alexander Hamilton (a fan of big government, constrained by the jury who also favored jury veto of unjust laws) both agreed that the jury has a right to try the law. …Oh, what’s that, you never got a decent education, and as an adult you were too stupid and incurious to give yourself one?

      Thanks for the chestnut that all laws need to be enforced, because some asswipe legislators created them. Thanks for that deep intellectual contribution that ignores 800 years of jurisprudence since the Magna Carta. You’ve really contributed (a mindless popular misconception, that, left unchecked, would restore the “divine right of kings” to power).

    • dog31743t

      AS ALWAYS ANOTHER STRAW MAN ARGUMENT FROM THE RIGHT. WHERE DOES OBEYING AND APPLYING THE LAW COME INTO PLAY IN ALL THESE HISTORY LESSONS. OH I SEE SHE’S A GIRL SO SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RAPE AND INFLUENCE ANY OTHER GIRL MAYBE SHE WOULD LIKE TO TRY A 5 YEAR OLD AND THAT’S OK WITH YOU TOO PERHAPS. YOUR CONVOLUTED THINKING AND CONCLUSIONS ARE BASED ON STUPIDITY AND A CONCLUSION THAT GIRLS WHO MOLEST AND RAPE ARE NOT PUNISHABLE AS BOYS ARE. ALIGN YOURSELF WITH THIS CHILD MOLESTER IF YOU MUST BUT DONT BELIEVE THAT ANY OF YOUR CONCLUSIONS ARE INTELIGENT. THEY ARE THE PRODUCT OF A BITTER STUPID CHILD.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      CAPS MAKE EVERYTHING I SAY MORE IMPORTANT!!! RAWR!!!!

      By the way, I don’t care what magical thing happens at 18 that makes you an adult but as far as anyone can tell by looking at the facts SHE’S A KID HERSELF, SHE’S STILL GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH HER NOW EX GIRLFRIEND! (Ok, you’re kinda right; typing in caps does make you feel more important). The fact of the matter is, even if it was a boy and a girl and this was still the case the charges are preposterous to throw the older party in the same jail cell (literally and figuratively) as creepy old men who don’t care about the feelings of the children they rape. I’ll want to hear the younger girl’s testimony and whether she goes against her parents or not.

    • Marbran

      Sorry. Our elected officials across the nation have decided that political expediency is more important than the truth. All sex offenders are now predators and all must be registered up until death in some cases.

    • cc bs

      Then let the punishment fit the crime. We are not talking about a sexual predator here, we are talking about a girl barely out of her teens herself who is in a relationship with someone three years younger than her. This is a gross misrepresentation of a law that was meant to protect children from the Jerry Sandusky’s of the world, not teens from other teens. In some states, 16 years old is considered the age of consent, so should we go to those states and start locking up every 16 year old who is in a relationship with someone a year or two younger than them and make them register as sex offenders? Even people who take other people’s lives are charged with different degrees of murder or manslaughter depending on the circumstances.

    • dog31743t

      THEN CHANGE THE LAW BUT DON’T TRY TO SUDDENLY MAKE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE IT IS A GIRL RATHER THAN A GUY. I AM SURE SHE WAS AWARE OF THE LAW. LOOK I KNOW SOMEONE WHO IN THE 1950′S WAS 15 YRS OLD AND CHARGED WITH 2 COUNTS OF STATUTORY RAPE BECAUSE THE GIRLS WERE UNDER THE AGE OF CONSENT IN THAT STATE. ( 15 AND 17 YRS OLD ) CONSENT WAS 18 FOR A FEMALE.AND NOT BECAUSE THEY COULD PROVE SEXUAL RELATIONS BUT BECAUSE HE HAD SPENT A WEEK AS A RUNAWAY WITH THEM. IN THAT STATE, IN THAT YEAR, THAT CONSTITUTED STATUTORY RAPE. THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED HIM WAS THE PARENTS DECIDED HE WAS LIKELY TRYING TO PROTECT THEM SO THEY HAD THE CHARGES DROPPED. OTHERWISE HE WAS GUILTY AS CHARGED AND WOULD HAVE FACED THE CONSEQUENCES. HE WAS A MALE SO NO ONE WAS SCREAMING ABOUT IT NOT BEING FAIR OR RIGHT. THERE CANNOT BE A DOUBLE STANDARD!! SHE IS GUILTY OF CORRUPTING A MINOR UNABLE TO CONSENT TO THE ACT, PERIOD.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      GRRRRR, RETURN OF THE CAPS! (It’s like the sequel to Jaws but worse).

    • dog31743t

      HAVE PROBLEM READING LOWER CASE. SORRY???

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      Regardless of girl or boy, the fact of the matter is when you’re a couple in high school age doesn’t matter. (I’d take a good bet that when you were 17/18 your eyeballed some 14/15 yr old girls without knowing it wishing you got some alone time with them). I personally hate the argument that the day you turn 18 someone flips a switch and you magically become an adult, liable for your actions. Oh! But wait, you’re still not responsible to drink yet but you’re expected to be responsible enough to not date or hook up with someone 2 years younger than you (because fighting back hormones at that age is realistic). Look at the system, it’s jaded and misconstrued. I’m saying saying I have the right answer but I can be sure that labeling a 17/18 year old having a relationship with a 14/15 year old in with 50 year old men having sex with anyone under 18 is screwed up.

    • ISimplySpeakDaTruth

      Not*

    • Ivy Alston

      No logic here. No court decides all similar cases the same, that’s not American justice. You don’t say how old the guys were. Were they adults over 18. In Washington, DC males are not even considered adults until they turn 21 years old, and females are adults when they turn 18. It’s call the Youth Act. So, I guess it really matters where you live in America.

    • xMVince

      Sucks to be young these days. Can’t even choose who you love.

    • faze

      How old were the guys? If they were teenagers, and the relationship was consensual, this was an injustice that they were sent to prison.

    • HealthTeacher

      I agree with you, Itsthelaw, that it shouldn’t be made into a ‘gay’ issue, if in the same state, an 18 yr old boy could be prosecuted for having sex with a 14/15 yr old); however, just a teeny-tiny nitpick with your statement (b/c words matter, esp when interpreting legal statutes; otherwise, I would never nitpick this much!!). When you said that you knew of “two young guys, who dated girls under the age of 16, and though the relationship was consensual, the parents did not consent,” by definition, a child under the age of 16 (or whatever the statute indicates) does not have the ABILITY to consent, because of his/her young age. In otherwords, a 14 yr old girl/boy cannot, by definition, be in a consensual sexual relationship, thus, the term “statutory rape.” However, if close in age, eg 14/15. than NEITHER can consent and therefore, there is no crime. As a former Health Ed teacher, it just irks me when people say, “but he/she CONSENTED to having sex,” when that person is a child!! (you didn’t irk me – I just wanted to make the point).

    • Memyselfandiambarbara

      I agree. The argument seems promiscuous too. The age gap is not only 4 years, it is about 1/4 of the younger teen’s lifetime.

    • WC

      If you read it’s not against the law here. They passed a bill to make an exception for those close in age for this very reason. NOTHING in the law states it doesn’t apply to same sex relationships. This is a biased state attorney trying to make a name for themselves.

    • John J.

      Regardless of the argument used here, and regardless of sexuality, these laws are only hurtful to young people who engage in sexual activities. It sounds like you’re saying that those two young guys belong in prison, and now she does too? The law may be the law, universally applicable, but it’s not a good one. The anti-gay argument applies here only because the “vixen victim’s” parents waited until the perp was 18 to prosecute, to inflict the most damage as a punitive measure for their homoerotic relationship. Furthermore, the author is pointing out the lack of enforcement of forcible-rape statutes and comparing it to the overzealous prosecution of this girl. Fair is fair, though, and if they do the same to young straight boys who have sex with their girlfriends, they law should be equally applied to gay women.

    • RepubNightmare

      You know what else used to be a against the law? Inter-racial marriage and women having the ability to vote.. just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it is morally correct, fair, or non-biased.. things that the law SHOULD uphold.. not religious propoganda and forced beliefs. As a Christian I don’t want anyone to be FORCED to live by my faith.. my job as a Christian is not to persecute, judge and condemn, my job is to love. Force by omition or oppression is still forced. The law is the law and needs to be applied to everyone equally not by religious practice or doctortine.

    • anon

      Agreed, but adhering to the letter of these laws in every instance is insane. Parents are so fu**ing inconsiderate in situations like this; couldn’t they just forbid their kids from seeing the older person? Why the fu** do they have to go to the cops?

    • atpcliff

      There is no “Law” or “The Law”. In the U.S., the laws regarding sexual relations vary WILDLY by state. Worldwide, the laws also very tremendously. Worldwide, the basic age of consent varies from 12 years to 19. Most countries have ages of consent of 15 or 16, with 14 being the 3rd most popular age of consent. But, there are MANY variations, and, like the U.S., many states or provinces vary within each country as to the specific ages of consent.
      For example, if you have a personal relationship and sex with someone in the Phillipines, the Age of Consent is 12. BUT, if you hire someone to work in the sex trade, then the Age of Consent for those activities is 16.
      If you have sex with someone under 16, it may or may not be illegal, depending on a wide variety of factors.

    • Deejay

      Would it be different if she gave it up to a 14 year old boy or a 15 year old girl ?

    • sick of this

      The writer of this article doesn’t know the facts. The victim ran away, and the 18 year old picked her up and spent the night with her. That’s when her parents called the police. If a male of the same age did this he would be serving time, with no anti gay bias involved. Also they offered her a plea bargain, which she did not accept, another accommodation that would not have been given to a male her age. Where is the bias ? Change the law, which is draconian, but don’t scream bias when there is none. This makes it harder for those that are experiencing discrimination to be taken seriously when there is actually bias.

    • dakotagirl

      AGREE!!!!

    • WallE

      I think you missed reading the part in the article where it said: “the younger girl’s family didn’t like it that their daughter was engaged
      in a same-sex relationship, and believed Kaitlyn had “made their
      daughter gay.” After Kaitlyn had turned 18 the family reported Kaitlyn to the
      police for statutory rape”.
      It’s anti-gay because of the prejudicial and spiteful reasons of the family for making the report… i.e. if an 18yo was doing their daughter they wouldn’t have had an issue.

      (Also, “young guys” do not get prison time for “dating”. Had that been all that they did they wouldn’t have been locked up. Plus, those guys were older than 18 (you said young guys, not 18yo guys)… so, probably closer to 20yo (I’ll assume not any older)… A 20yo should not be with a 14yo, regardless of their genders.

    • InTheStone

      “Itsthelaw”, what was the ages of these “two young guys”, and were they schoolmates of the youngsters in question ? and if they did “prison time”, could we have their names so that we can research the circumstances ?

      I would be very interested to have whatever details that don’t involve the girls, since they are minors,.. so no names of course, as far as the trampy little minors are concerned…
      but, if we could set a “close in age” exemption, we would need to figure out a reasonable parameter for “schoolmates” to date each other…

      so can you give us a link to whatever public information their is on the prosecution of the two males ? I think it would be interesting to put some Facts into the mix !

    • Bangy65

      A minor cannot give consent neither can their parent its called sexual assault and you loose you gun rights if convicted even as a misdemeanor

    • http://www.facebook.com/cyrusxes Robert Olson

      Except they are passing laws to allow girls as young as 12 to get the morning after pill without parental consent! e the two laws contradict themselves.

    • an obviously twisted situation

      the law is retarded, you are a sheep

    • tulet

      Florida’s Romeo and Juliet Law

      Section 943.04354, F.S. (“Romeo and Juliet” Law):

      • Provides petition process for removal of the requirement to register for qualifying offenders who are already on the sex offender registry.
      • For offenses that occurred on or after July 1, 2007, allows qualifying offenders to make a motion to the court for relief of the requirement to register.
      • Allows a 4 year age gap between the victim and the offender for exclusion of the registration requirements for certain offenses that are consensual.
      • Victim must be at least 14 but no older than 17 years of age.
      Section 794.05, F.S.:
      • Provides an age-gap provision that allows a 16 or 17 year old to consent to consensual conduct with a person 16-23 years of age.

      Read more: http://www.thegloss.com/2013/05/20/culture/kaitlyn-hunt-teen-same-sex-statutory-rape-case/#ixzz2fHkkC718

    • tulet

      What were the ages of the “young guys”? That does make a difference.

  • Kelles Petee

    have you ever heard the term “15 will get you 20″……its not a gay thing its a law thing

    • gemma_sanji

      Doesn’t the law state that there can be a 4 year gap? like 14-18, 15-19, etc. I know there is that law in my state but it is 3 years.
      I am so confused that everyone says it’s illegal when it says right there that it is legal. Moral issues aside, is that the law? Did I read it wrong?

    • Kelles Petee

      laws are very confusing sometimes. in this case the parents are out for blood!….they are not happy that their little angel is gay…pressure on the d.a is driving this case!

    • Unnecessary Loginshere

      Age gap is immaterial when one is under the legal age of consent, unless you have an agenda, which always blinds one to little things like facts

    • Kelles Petee

      Thank you. I’m glad you can see it my way.

    • Kelles Petee

      The headline for this story should read ” GAY WOMAN MOLESTED A CHILD, PARENTS ARE PRESSING CHARGES”.

    • Jake Witmer

      Thanks Punisher. They feel the same way in Iran. Very American of you.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      You know so much about Iran, have you ever been there? BTW homosexuality and pedophilia is rampant in many Muslim countries especially Afghanistan, etc.

    • Jake Witmer

      The anti-sex sociopathic collectivists in Iran are also hypocrites, which explains their self-contradiction. That doesn’t mean we should lower ourselves to their standard. I highly recommend reading VICE magazine’s “The Busy Gallows of Iran” and then watching their interview with the longest-embedded British journalist in Afghanistan (which it sounds like you’ve already seen).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000224025359 Manuel Guajardo

    it`s a sex crime against a Minor !!!

  • Old GI

    She is a child molester and should be registered as same to protect young children years later.

  • NoWay

    It doesn’t really matter that they are two females. The relevant fact is the ages of both girls. If the older girl were a boy people would demand he be held accountable to the full extent of the law. What’s the difference?

    • games

      The difference is that gays do not want equal rights…they want to be able to do whatever they damn well please and then shove it down our throats!

    • Sabrina-Michelle James

      ‘gays’? She would be called a lesbian, or depending on her preference for the male sex, bi-sexual. Please educate yourself before you physically harm yourself.

    • Kelles Petee

      lol….you should educate yourself!!!!! i will call them what ever i want to!!!!!! this is america and “news flash” we can do that here!!!!!!!!!!

    • J

      Educate herself on what? Calling homosexual people “Gays” is like calling African Americans “The Blacks”. “News flash”, hate speech is what bigots use. If you want people to take you even remotely seriously, you might not want to sound like you have sex with your pigs and sister on the weekend. Just saying.

    • games

      They ARE NOT Africans and I REFUSE to call them that!

    • Sabrina-Michelle James

      Well, it’s be like calling someone a nigger, a spick, a wetback, a cracker, or even an uneducated individual who says “news flash” as though he is using quotation fingers, which makes NO sense online.

      So yes, you are free to call someone whatever you chose to. Just don’t be surprised when others call you on it. :)

    • Kelles Petee

      i am not surprised…..:)…..i just call a spade a spade…..no political correctness its all garbage! gay is gay….black is black…mexican is wetback…white boy is a cracker…spick lol now theres one i haven’t heard in a long time….lmao why do people get so offended when we use these words.i don’t get mad when some black dude calls me a cracker…..

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      You’re right, because you can’t empathize, people should never be offended when someone calls them a perjorative. Just because you’re too stupid to show courtesy doesn’t mean you’re being honest, it means you’re not disguising your ignorance and hatred.

    • Kelles Petee

      you sir should practice what you preach…..if my comments offend you and provoke you then my job here is done…..thank you

    • Kelles Petee

      and i know why you are gay……….because you are really ugly and no man would want you! so you turn to the freaks…..

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Like calling someone “homphobic”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      You are absolutely right, bigotry is protected in America. It is funny to be ignorant and crass. You should lol it up.

    • Jake Witmer

      Except have sex, listen to forbidden rap lyrics, draw obscene cartoons, use drugs, own and carry a machine gun or sawed off shotgun without a permit (those two false-laws are actually two different SCOTUS cases contradicting each other), throw a rave party, refuse to snitch for the FBI, refuse to inform on your tax forms, etc…

    • games

      OH, SHUT UP! I have many GAY friends…both male and female! I suggest YOU get some education and stop picking a gnats!

    • Sabrina-Michelle James

      Well, if you want to call yourself a gnat, go ahead. :)

    • Sabrina-Michelle James

      Who says they do not want equal rights? Because they refused civil unions, and want marriages? Which, is kinda wanting equal rights.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      Yeah, only you can do that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      If the younger girl were a boy, this wouldn’t be happening at all. Or do you really believe that society pushes for the prosecution of a high school senior female dating a freshman male? People would high five him. There are plenty of double standards. It does matter that they are both female.

    • Jake Witmer

      Don’t put anything past the puritans, Patrick! We’re all in this together, as Americans, and members of the Jury, against the fascist puritan hordes. Never convict if there is no injury or intent to injure. That means it’s not a crime according to the common law. The prosecutors want us all to live in terror of their Sharia law.

      …So we don’t all start asking where our taxes are going. We’re all being robbed blind to pay for our own enslavement.

      …And dead kids in Pakistan.

    • Jake Witmer

      Don’t put anything past the puritans, Patrick! We’re all in this together, as Americans, and members of the Jury, against the fascist puritan hordes. Never convict if there is no injury or intent to injure. That means it’s not a crime according to the common law. The prosecutors want us all to live in terror of their Sharia law.

      …So we don’t all start asking where our taxes are going. We’re all being robbed blind to pay for our own enslavement.

      …And dead kids in Pakistan.

    • Jake Witmer

      This law is equally capricious and arbitrary toward heterosexuals, and should not be enforced against them either, unless there was overt coercion, and the victim testifies against the aggressor, and the aggressor is found guilty by a randomly-selected jury, of committing a malum in se. That “malum in se” (crime in and of itself) must have two elements: injury and intent to injure. Without one of those elements, no crime has been committed, according to the common law we supposedly have in the USA.

      Of course, if the government schools can dumb down the Jurors enough, then the law is out the window. From all the bigoted and religious comments on this thread, it appears that the government schools have succeeded in that mission. So much for free and compulsory “education.”

  • Kevin

    They need to fix the system a little more than this. This girl may have her life ruined just because she turned 18 and her girlfriend was still underage. This isn’t even a same-sex issue. There should be a law that states if you are in a consensual relationship before turning 18 you can’t be prosecuted when you do. Also, I think there relationship should have been an issue before when the younger girl was 14 and she was 17. This could have brought penalties against her but would keep her in minor status and therefor wouldn’t tarnish her adult record.

    • games

      NO 15-year-old should be in a sexual relationship with ANYONE!

    • mitts281

      who said it was sexual?

    • Betsy Brown

      Re: “who said it was sexual?”

      The 14 year old victim and the 18 year old perpetrator:
      http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/21/us/hunt-arrest-affidavit.html

    • Jake Witmer

      There’s nothing that terrifies puritans as much as the thought that someone, somewhere might be having an orgasm.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      You sound like a candidate for chemical castration.

    • Jake Witmer

      You sound like someone who hates all human beings who are having fun. You sound like someone who is totally frigid, and hates the idea that others are not. You sound exactly like the grotesque caricature of humanity that H. L. Mencken insulted when he wrote the following: “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

    • gemma_sanji

      I read up there that the law states that there can be a 4 year gap? like 14-18, 15-19, etc.
      I am so confused that everyone says it’s illegal when it says right there that it is legal. Moral issues aside, is that the law? Did I read it wrong?

    • Jake Witmer

      There is no more law in the USA, that’s the first confusing element.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Thank Goodness we do still have laws in spite of anarchists like you who would do away with all of them.

    • Jake Witmer

      Keep trying, I’m not an anarchist. I’m your intellectual superior, and I’m a libertarian, but I’m not an anarchist.

    • Kelles Petee

      it is sad that the parents are doing this to their daughter…..but we are a nation of laws sometimes unfair…..this law should get a second look! …..and for the record i am not condoning same sex relationships it is against my religion….thanks

    • dtate399

      So its the system’s fault? Would it have been ok if the younger was 13,12, 11? Who is to say that the relationship was not an issue before she turned 18?
      The issue is we do not know all the facts–just those of a biased blogger. How about we all stop guessing about facts and wait for them to come out.

    • Jake Witmer

      Hear Hear! This thread is full of “tuff on crime” ‘mer-kuhns!

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What
      happened to the free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate
      punishing cowards, so proud that they will cave in to the slightest
      pressure from the prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your
      right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

  • momma5

    No, young children should not be engaging in this type of intimate affection, BUT it is the responsibility of the parents to enstill this in their children as they grow up, and what happens when these kids become teens and have more independece is all up to them. These two girls ( YOUNGER ONE INCLUDED) will still be gay even if the charges stick. The real problem is WHY did the parents wait until the other girl was 18…probably because they felt that was a way to get back at her for “turning their daughter gay” which is just CRAZY!!! Yes laws have to be enforced…but shouldn’t the same rule apply here. LOOK at ALL the facts and you will most likely see too teenage girls all wrapped up in themselfs and the new feelings they were feeling, and made some choices that weren’t the greates. WHY should this bright young girl be punished for something that involved them both? When it is a murder, rape, bruglary, etc…there is usually a trial that determines if the evidence shows there was an actual crime, and A LOT of times people go free that DON”T deserve to do free! So I think this poor girl needs to be left alone and instructed for her safety as well as the 15 year olds to just move on with her life and enjoy being young for awhile!

  • huhryezen

    Just so you know…this site is CENSORING and not allowing comments that SUPPORT the law and give arguments against the older gay girl being treated differently. This is proof of media bias and that gays want to be treated “special” from other people….unreal!!!!! But they censored my comment promoting the law enforcement!!! UNREAL!

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      I’ve seen plenty of comments on here that support the law, so I think you’re either paranoid or openly lying.

    • Jake Witmer

      There’s another option. He might also be fucking stupid. Never forget the explicative power of “abject stupidity.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      You would know about “abject stupidity”. What are you so scared about? Got a thing for 14 year-olds, do you?

    • Jake Witmer

      Caroline Redbrook, you’ve taught me a lot about abject stupidity, by example. Why don’t you crawl back under your rock you mouth-breathing bigot?

  • Ray Lewis

    “In September, shortly after Kaitlyn’s 18th birthday, the girls began dating,”

    She is a minor,she lives under her parents roof. The parents have the right to raise their child as they see fit.

  • Me

    Look, she broke the law which is a given and all parents have the right to protect their child from all harm including perverts whether they come in the form of a man or a woman. A 14 yr old child is too easily influenced that is why we have an age that we legally call humans “adults”. This 18 yr old should face the law and meet some kind of punishment. The only thing this will result in though is the queers coming to her rescue and crying till they get the charges dropped.

  • Juman

    As a young man, if I did this we wouldn’t be having this discussion at all, I’d simply be in prison as another rapist taken off the streets. Throw the book at her.

    • Jake Witmer

      It used to be that Americans had the more American attitude, “Heck, one injustice doesn’t make another injustice right” and would have seen the puritanistic prosecutor and judge and parents as the problem. Not anymore. This degraded America is full of jealous pricks and punishing nuns with rulers!

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What
      happened to the free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate
      punishing cowards, so proud that they will cave in to the slightest
      pressure from the prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your
      right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

  • Shane

    Regardless of sexual preference, an 18yo hooking up with a 15yo is illegal…even in the south. The Romeo & Juliet provisions sound like they would only apply to the sex offender registration portion of the penalty…meaning it’s still illegal, she’d still be sentenced and she’d still have to do some time most likely…she just wouldn’t have to register as a sex offender.

    I really don’t have an issue with the age difference or their sexuality but I also don’t agree with gay rights activists trying to mold this story to fit their narrative. She broke the law…a law which is clearly being applied equally to both gays and straights.

    If I was the judge, I’d tack on an extra $50 fine because the photo clearly indicates she wasn’t wearing her seat belt while in the front seat which is a violation of Florida law. Safety first.

    • Brian

      Did u read that the were both under 18 when they started seeing each other

    • games

      So what’s you point…that does NOT change the law!

    • anna

      yes it does because it allows for a 4 year age difference. 15 and 18 is 3 years.

    • games

      Anna…you change the law through LEGAL channels…not because someone had a birthday. The law is the law…end of discussion.

    • anna

      Ok, i am confused. The 4 year age gap allows people 4 years apart to be having sex legally. They are 15 and 18, yes? So that is 3 years? So by the gap law it is not illegal, correct?
      What am I missing? I actually don’t understand what this law is saying

    • Unnecessary Loginshere

      READ the story! The girl was 14 when it started, thats under the age of consent. The fact it continued doesn’t change the fact she was underage.

    • anna

      It started when they were BOTH underage and the law accounts for a 4 year age difference. That’s what I read, is that wrong?

    • sav

      She obviously read the story and asked a question that you didn’t answer, choosing instead to preach your beliefs that still don’t clarify anything . Dumbass.

    • Unnecessary Loginshere

      I will type slowly, with big crayons. The 4 year thing does not count unless BOTH parties are above the legal age of consent. Where they are from, she was underage. Age difference meant nothing. Do you people really think the prosecuting attorney’s office there filed criminal charges without knowing what the law says? So who’s the dumb-ass? Literacy, separating the educated from the unwashed masses for century’s. Dumb-ass has a hyphen in case you didn’t know. That red squiggly line under a word means your spelling and/or punctuation suck, just saying.

    • Kevin

      Actually if YOU read the article you would understand what people are confused about, that there is a law accounting for age difference. They discussed it in paragraph 7 I believe. So to Answer Anna’s question, you have to be 17 for the Romeo- Juliet law to apply. The wording is very unclear, confusion is understandable.
      So you are partially correct, but you are still an asshole UL.

    • Jules

      Centuries doesn’t have an apostrophe. It’s not possessive or indicating a conjunction.

    • gemma_sanji

      “Literacy, separating the educated from the unwashed masses for century’s.” “That red squiggly line under a word means your spelling and/or punctuation suck, just saying.” “So who’s the dumb-ass?”
      Centuries.
      Lol I’m just going to leave it there.

    • Dissed!

      hahahaha lol what a pompous idiot! People who feel the need to correct other’s grammar on the internet are the saddest people in the world to me, so pathetic. +1 for jules!

    • willa

      what do you want to bet he counters with “it was a simple mistake! anyone could do it! who cares about internet grammar!”

    • Sara

      You are making no sense, if both parties are above the age of consent they are able to consent no matter what, to whomever they choose. If one person is under the age of consent the Romeo and Juliet law exists for exceptions, as clearly stated above.
      Get your facts straight and start making sense

    • kenny

      Sara. My understanding is that both were below the age of consent but when one reached the leagl age of consent, it became statutory rape. They were both underage when it started but once one party became legal, all bets were off and the family had her by the balls, lol

    • Jake Witmer

      Yeah,
      Funny.
      Someone’s life might get ruined by the police state.

    • http://www.facebook.com/monika.ballew Monika Ballew

      Victim must be at least 14 but no older than 17 years of age.

      Section 794.05, F.S.:

      Possibly you might want to read the entire post before making obnoxious comments. The victim in this case was indeed 14 and therefore does fall within the statues of this section.

    • Just passing through

      Anna – the 4 year age gap allows the convicted felon a chance to not have to register as a sex offender. It does not allow sex with someone who is under age.

    • Jake Witmer

      The Jury is allowed to veto the punishment no matter what the law says. Most of the morons posting here have no idea that that’s how the laws against unmarried cohabitation were thrown out: by so many juries the prosecutors charging people with the law became a joke. The same principle: “Jury Nullification of Law” ended alcohol prohibiton, and the Fugitive Slave Law, before it.

    • Jake Witmer

      Ahh, worship of the law, and the context and facts be damned! You’d fit right in, in Iran!

    • Mike

      I say again, i the Steubenville rape case, the victim was 16, her assailants were 16 and 17. That Kaitlyn Hunt was 17 when she started her relationship does not exonerate her.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carlene.lyons.3 Carlene Lyons

      Everyone keeps bringing up Steubenville. The Steubenville case was not consensual.

    • http://www.facebook.com/boomercat Larry Davis

      And therein lies the difference.

    • Jake Witmer

      Yes, but many of these posters are very fucking stupid, and their primate urge to punish is strong. I hope my explanation was helpful.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      You come across as a vulgar, sexually frustrated, short, balding, homely, probably fleshy and overweight pervert who couldn’t “get” any girl over 14.

    • mitts281

      There are states in this country where the legal age of consent is under 15….

    • games

      Evidently….this state isn’t one of them…your comment means absolutely nothing!

    • mitts281

      My comment means something because the person I was replying to, doesn’t have their facts straight.

    • mitts281

      So you go against her because of the writer of this article? Do you really believe that if it was an older male he would have gotten away with it?????? Wake the hell up.

    • Jake Witmer

      I sure would hate it if they got away with loving each other. It would be so much better for them to join the military and bomb some Pakistani kids off the Earth. Or maybe go to Iran, and help execute some gay kids with Sharia law.

      Or they could just wait for the puritan primates in the USA to turn the USA into Iran. You’re already making progress!

  • http://www.facebook.com/tareonw TaReon Williams

    Provides an age-gap provision that allows a 16 or 17 year old to consent to consensual conduct with a person 16-23 years of age

    Read more: http://www.thegloss.com/2013/05/20/culture/kaitlyn-hunt-teen-same-sex-statutory-rape-case/#ixzz2U3PIZfsC

    the 17 year old should not have been sexually involved with a fourteen year old or an 18 yr old sexually involved with a 15 yr old and it don’t matter if they are same sex or opposite sex. kids have to mature alot more before dating others 4 yrs their age.

  • john4carter

    The facts stated in this article are complete false. Google the terms ” Kaitlyn Hunt arrest affadavit NY” The NY Post put her arrest affadavit online. She turned 18 on 8/14/2012. The school year where they meet started in August. The other girl started the school as a freshman so they could not have meet when Kaitlyn was 17. The young victim was not even in the school The police report clearly states several times the victim was 14. She had sex with the victim at appoximately 18+3 months old. When I was 18+3 I was a freshman in college and never would touch a 14 year old. You support 18 and 14 year old sex? yickie… So what is acceptable 18 and 13 year old sex? 18 and 12 year old? Someone please enlighten all of us on how 14 is appropriate for sex?

    • Jake Witmer

      Stay away from our kid! We hate your love!

      Oh, you want to go bomb kids in Pakistan with drones and rockets? That’s OK. Why didn’t you say so?

      It
      would be the same if she were a confused young man, full of
      testosterone. America has a hard-on for hate, and no time for love, and
      no brains for law. No wonder the land of the free has the fullest
      prisons in the world!

      Add the government youth propaganda camps
      to all of that, and it’s no wonder nobody knows what their rights are as
      members of the Jury.

      Lesson to those in love: the officer’s billy club can separate you,
      even in the land of the formerly free and formerly brave. You’re just
      as enslaved in America as in Germany in the 1930s, but your masters want
      more milk out of you, so they’ll give you slightly more leeway…
      We’re brave enough to bomb Pakistani kids from a mile in the sky with a
      remote-controlled robot, but not brave enough to let our teenage
      children pursue love…

      Two of the most awesome things you can read, free on the net: Google Fully Informed Jury Association.
      and
      “Why I Am Not A Conservative” by F. A. Hayek.

      The
      jury has the right to acquit based on their consciences. This was
      ultimately how the Fugitive Slave Act was defeated in the North, and how
      prohibition was defeated.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What happened to the
      free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate punishing cowards,
      so proud that they will cave in to the slightest pressure from the
      prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Again: Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn
      about jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and
      your right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you
      off and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      if you’re called, shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks
      that America has lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is
      better than none.

  • Mommydoc

    In California, where I live, if the older partner was male, not only would there be no statutory rape charge, but when the 15 year old gets pregnant, the state rewards them with free medical care and all kinds of other taxpayer-funded benefits. Even if not in the country legally and even if the guy is 25.

  • Daniel

    Anti-gay bias? Hah! The complaint they are actually making is that they are “not applying the standard ‘pro-female bias’ because she is gay.” If the 18-year-old were male, and the 15-year-old female, we’d not be reading this story. It happens all the time, and we’re not seeing it. Because the male has to be punished. Hung out, strung out, imprisoned, castrated, drawn and quartered. Then they’d start the real punishment. The people in the article are complaining because the law is not letting the female off the hook like it usually does. Ironic that the Equality Fetishists scream and cry when they get what they want. (And notice how the article calls Katilyn Hunt a “child” when she is an adult.)

    However, taken as an issue without the sociological context, I don’t believe at all that an 18-year-old should have any charges whatsoever for a mutually consenting relationship with a 15-year-old. Justice refers to the Individual, and can only be applied on that level, so Kaitlyn should not be charged with a crime. But neither should males in the same situation, and who is advocating for them?

    • Jake Witmer

      You are correct, sir!

  • games

    Any ADULT (18 or older) having sex with a 15-year-old needs to go to prison and be on the sex offenders list. This is NOT gay-bashing as the writer would have you believe. IT IS LAW-BREAKING and a crime against a child! END OF DISCUSSION!

  • jayy

    I am a 18 year old girl , i just turned 18 and my girlfriend is a little younger then me . i see this as not such a big deal because you love who you love , being gay in this world today is a big deal anyway but they shouldn’t look at it that way. i hope Kate goes free because to me if the girl Kate dates is 15 and she’s 18 then i consider the girl that Kate is dating a teen just like Kate is a teen , when your a teen it be so scary , I’m even scared now because its certain ages you have to go by just for you to date someone when your a teen if that the case that make tell the teens about the romeo and Juliet law more so we will know. FREE KATE

  • jayy

    How can you make someone gay , i have hear of peer pressure but making some one gay that doesn’t cut it with me, maybe the15 year old wanted to try something new or maybe the 15 year old knew what she was doing and knew her parents would get mad maybe she wanted to get Kate in trouble if i was Kate parents i would make the lawyers put the 15 year old on the stand in court and make her say she did since they said Kate made her maybe the lawyer can make the 15 year tell the truth.

  • BellaBoo

    We all know what the law is….no need to keep repeating that…it’s the fact that the parents knew about this relationship but WAITED till she was 18 to say anything…not only r they filing for rape but they are saying that the 18yr.old “MADE” their daughter gay…that is preposterous!! I truly believe that if it was a boy the parents would not be filing charges…

  • BellaBoo

    We all know what the law is….no need to keep repeating that…it’s the fact that the parents knew about this relationship but WAITED till she was 18 to say anything…not only r they filing for rape but they are saying that the 18yr.old “MADE” their daughter gay…that is preposterous!! I truly believe that if it was a boy the parents would not be filing charges…

  • BellaBoo

    We all know what the law is….no need to keep repeating that…it’s the fact that the parents knew about this relationship but WAITED till she was 18 to say anything…not only r they filing for rape but they are saying that the 18yr.old “MADE” their daughter gay…that is preposterous!! I truly believe that if it was a boy the parents would not be filing charges…

  • Winnar12345 .

    The 18 year old is not a child, she is an adult. The 15 year old is a minor under custody and care of her parents and they have final authority over her. Its not complicated. The 18 year old acted stupidly and will, unfortunately for her, almost certainly be convicted.

  • leroy

    18 year old is OK to vote and do everything else that is legal let her see what life is all about. I personally believe on one should be an adult legally under 21

  • hellothere

    The law is the law.. but it seems like the parents only turned her in because they didnt want their daughter to be gay.. if it was a guy i bet they wouldnt have said anything.

    • Mizaun

      Really, are you so blind by the media that that is the first thought you think of? Either your gay, or know someone who is.

  • Susan

    GUILTY, as charged. Perp should get punishment under full extent of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002770362431 Charlie Judd

    Why do we always change the laws for pretty girls???

    • Kelles Petee

      lol…..the million dolla question……:)

    • Jake Witmer

      Because the laws are stupid, meaningless, mean-spirited, and pushed-into-existence-by-sociopaths, and their beauty reminds us of that fact. …As well as the fact that we have teh right to veto the law, as members of the Jury. It’s called “Jury Nullification of Law.”

  • hugochavezelloco

    The same law should apply to everybody, pervert or not..Are this people above the law?.Hope not.

    • Jake Witmer

      Said the douche who took a South American dictator’s name for his username

  • angelstone2424

    when the relationship began the girls were both minors. the fact that kaitlyn turned 18 during the relationship really shouldnt matter. it was both girls choice to have sex. so the other girls parents didnt like her. big fucking deal. get over it and be glad your daughter has someone she loves. there is no reason this case needs to be happening. it was consentual on both parts.

  • Name

    So we have some parents that are trying to take responsibility for their child. Society cries for parental responsibility yet here the cries seem to be for the child to be able to break laws and have sex if they want to. Really? Surely there are other issues that are not being presented from the parental view. And the law is the law. No matter who you are and what your sexual orientation is. Period.

  • Mizaun

    I say charge her in full, why should she get special treatment? I seen guys get charged when they were 18 and their g/f was 16 so what makes this case any different? It seems in America, if you are “Pretty, rich, famous, popular, or know the right people” laws don’t apply to you in the same way it does the rest of the people. SCREW THIS GIRL, SHE BROKE THE LAW NOW FACE THE PUNISHMENT PRETTY OR NOT!!!

  • Mizaun

    Also, if the above case was the same in EVERY WAY but the girl was 5’3″ and 290lbs this would not be a story, it would just of happened and that would of been it.

  • Mizaun

    As for those asking how one can “Make someone gay” first, that is a dumb question, second, gays in my experience tend to push their views and ways on those they want, or find attractive, it does not seem to matter if the person they want is gay or not, so maybe this adult got the younger girl high or drunk, or something and when the kids will was lowered by chemicals, the adult made her move. Or maybe the teen was not gay, but had friends that were and wanted to “fit in” At any rate, gay or not, the girl was 15 the other one is 18 and an adult. I hate seeing how people who are over 18 but not yet 21 want to be seen as a “Kid” when they get in trouble, but seen as an adult when they want to do what they please. Charge the girl to the full extent of the law, make her register, and show that laws apply to ALL people, not just those the media deems “Ugly & Unattractive”

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      So you’re saying lesbian girls are frat guys? They use liquor and peer pressure to get into a young girls pants? Thank you for enlightening us with your brilliant theory. I’m sure you’ve got actual facts to back this up.

    • Jake Witmer

      As far as I know, the government sniper who blew Vicki Weaver’s brains out while she was nursing her newborn child still hasn’t been brought to justice. Neither has the F-Troop commander who allowed the cold blooded murder of his son.

      Neither are the DEA and ATF goons who framed Aaron Patterson for a victimless crime offense, after he got off of death row after being exonerated by DNA evidence.

      Seems if all these god-fearing prohibitionists in the USA cared at all about justice, they could find worse offenders than two teenage girls who willingly had sex with each other. Of course, that would require two brain cells to rub together, real hard.

  • OneSizeFitsAll

    If that were an 18 year old “man”, there would be no leg for him to stand on. Sex offender, life ruined. Shame on her family for using her sexuality as a defense.

  • JetpilotCA

    If it was a 18 year old man, and a 14 to 15 year old girl, he would be thrown in jail without anyone blinking an eye.

  • Guest

    I clearly remember that while anxiously awaiting my 18th birthday, I was vividly aware of a LOT of the rights and freedoms afforded me because of my new “adult” status…and with that, the sobering reality that I was now RESPONSIBLE FOR MYSELF. We need to quit treating teenagers as “babies” and make it clear to them that there is a deadline for “oops, I didn’t know”…it is the coming of age of responsibility.

    This should NOT be a gay issue, tho it seems it is pulled out to be such. It should be a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY issue. She is of age, she knew better. Approaching 18 is approaching the mental ability to reason and act responsibly.

    There is a harsh grey area where life-altering felonies are concerned, but there has to be a clearer line somewhere. I still think 18 is appropriate given the younger, less mature ages of the victim/consenting minor.

    Consensual, yes, but with a 14 year old, who is NOT of age to fully understand the responsibilities of intimate relationships. The 18 y/o SHOULD have been of the maturity level to know that “hey, maybe I’ll get in trouble for reasons I don’t understand”. Even with a 14 y/o boy, it would be outrageous and unacceptable.

    Let 18 be a cut-off point for no longer treating teens as adults. They are apparently trying to grow up faster than we are letting them. Time to draw that line in the sand a little deeper.

  • SomeonesMum

    I clearly remember that while anxiously awaiting my 18th birthday, I was vividly aware of a LOT of the rights and freedoms afforded me because of my new “adult” status…and with that, the sobering reality that I was now RESPONSIBLE FOR MYSELF. We need to quit treating teenagers as “babies” and make it clear to them that there is a deadline for “oops, I didn’t know”…it is the coming of age of responsibility.

    This should NOT be a gay issue, tho it seems it is pulled out to be such. It should be a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY issue. She is of age, she knew better. Approaching 18 is approaching the mental ability to reason and act responsibly.

    There is a harsh grey area where life-altering felonies are concerned, but there has to be a clearer line somewhere. I still think 18 is appropriate given the younger, less mature ages of the victim/consenting minor.

    Consensual, yes, but with a 14 year old, who is NOT of age to fully understand the responsibilities of intimate relationships. The 18 y/o SHOULD have been of the maturity level to know that “hey, maybe I’ll get in trouble for reasons I don’t understand”. Even with a 14 y/o boy, it would be outrageous and unacceptable.

    Let 18 be a cut-off point for no longer treating teens as adults. They are apparently trying to grow up faster than we are letting them. Time to draw that line in the sand a little deeper.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      It wouldn’t be outrageous if an 18 year old senior female dated a 14 year old freshman or sophmore male. That happens all across America every day. The parents wouldn’t push for prosecution, the dad would congratulate his son on dating an older attractive woman. Don’t even pretend that double standard doesn’t exist.

    • Jake Witmer

      Yeah, because 2.4 million people in prison, most of them there for victimless crimes isn’t enough. We need to catch more people in big brother’s net of destruction. You can never destroy too many lives, or cripple the economy with state terrorism and arbitrary injustice enough! Go get ‘em!

  • BK Martin

    They want equal rights then give them equal rights. That includes the right to be punished under the law…

    • Jake Witmer

      Get back to Burger King, punisher.

    • BK Martin

      As soon as you get off da weafare Jakes…

  • UltimateSteve

    If it was a dude, no one would be questioning this at all. Youre trying to flame bait people by bringing homosexuality into this. Grow the fuck up, Jamie Peck—there is actual shit in the world worth reporting on.

  • Mitts281

    Wow the people leaving comments in this post are what’s wrong this country.

  • anna

    Ok, i am confused. The 4 year age gap allows people 4 years apart to be having sex legally. They are 15 and 18, yes? So that is 3 years? So by the gap law it is not illegal, correct?
    What am I missing?

  • mitts281

    Deleting my post i see..

  • mitts281

    All of you are what’s wrong with this country.

  • mitts281

    Why is this article on here for a bunch of bigots to post on? When I contradict someone my post gets deleted? Very sad.

  • mitts281

    The sad thing is that no where does it say they had sex…

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Yes, it does. It says she “fingered” her in the school restroom.

  • mitts281

    Everyone hillbilly in this thread makes assumptions.

  • fibsernum

    If the law sees sex between a 17 year old boy and a 14 year old girl as statutory rape or some other definition of a sex crime, then the same charges should apply here.
    Welcome to equality. Perhaps all of the assault charges against teenage boys who had sex with younger girls were examples of anti-hetero bias.

    • Jake Witmer

      The fact that Americans accept the “statutory rape” concept at all (as a black and white issue) just shows how stupid they are. No victim = no crime.

    • fibsernum

      If you had an impressionable14 year old daughter who was being taken advantage of by an older person and led into sexual activity which you did not feel she was ready for, you might appreciate having laws to help you prevent it or stop it. Our society needs some boundaries, young people need boundaries. Teenagers should not be having sex. If you think that is okay, you would be a poor mentor for your child.
      I am not religious and am politically liberal on most issues, but common sense and evidence tells us that teen sex is not good for the child.

    • Jake Witmer

      But it’s going to happen, is happening now, and cannot be stopped. So we should prioritize the protection of the common law and our American heritage over our urge to punish people. A good rule of thumb is: Does the victim believe they are a victim? If not, there is no crime.

      That’s the proper standard of Western Civilization. Moreover: no law beyond the existing “common law” is necessary, if coercion was actually involved.

    • fibsernum

      Many victims are too young to know the emotional and physical consequences of a relationship and don’t understand, at the time, that they are being victimized and hurt by it.
      I am glad the law tries to protect them and gives parents support toward that end.

    • Jake Witmer

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What
      happened to the free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate
      punishing cowards, so proud that they will cave in to the slightest
      pressure from the prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your
      right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.erickson.7505 Jeff Erickson

    What total bullshit. If the anti-gay fascists on the right had their way, all gay people would be required to wear a badge. Discrimination against ANY human being is wrong. Period.

    • Jake Witmer

      Stay away from our kid! We hate your love!

      Oh, you want to go bomb kids in Pakistan with drones and rockets? That’s OK. Why didn’t you say so?

      It
      would be the same if she were a confused young man, full of
      testosterone. America has a hard-on for hate, and no time for love, and
      no brains for law. No wonder the land of the free has the fullest
      prisons in the world!

      Add the government youth propaganda camps
      to all of that, and it’s no wonder nobody knows what their rights are as
      members of the Jury.

      Lesson to those in love: the officer’s billy club can separate you,
      even in the land of the formerly free and formerly brave. You’re just
      as enslaved in America as in Germany in the 1930s, but your masters want
      more milk out of you, so they’ll give you slightly more leeway…
      We’re brave enough to bomb Pakistani kids from a mile in the sky with a
      remote-controlled robot, but not brave enough to let our teenage
      children pursue love…

      Two of the most awesome things you can read, free on the net: Google Fully Informed Jury Association.
      and
      “Why I Am Not A Conservative” by F. A. Hayek.

      The
      jury has the right to acquit based on their consciences. This was
      ultimately how the Fugitive Slave Act was defeated in the North, and how
      prohibition was defeated.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What happened to the
      free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate punishing cowards,
      so proud that they will cave in to the slightest pressure from the
      prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Again: Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn
      about jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and
      your right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you
      off and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      if you’re called, shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks
      that America has lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is
      better than none.

  • Justin

    The law is clear and it’s to protect children from being able to be targeted by someone older. It’s also to protect them from facing subject matter they are too young to engage in. Apply the law. Homosexuality is immoral. This law applies across the board. Apply the law–no free passes or special considerations for those who choose the homosexual lifestyle. Enough is enough.

    • Jake Witmer

      Spoken like a true scum-sucking Iranian mullah who wants to install Sharia in America!

  • think people think

    They were 14 and 18 when the girl was raped. Prison time and sex registry for Kaitlyn. This is what equality looks like. Anyone who thinks that the gay community isn’t seeking to do away with all laws connected to protecting young teens from sexual predators is blind to the current and historical pattern. Our statutory rape laws are there to protect our children and should be upheld at all cost. Sexual attraction doesn’t necessitate or give moral legitimacy to every desired sexual action.

    • Jake Witmer

      Right. Nonconsensual sex should be forbidden. Rape and assault are wrong. That didn’t happen here? Nothing more to see here, folks. …But all these puritan scum like to see the state punish the innocent –because they can’t get any.

  • Dennis Givens Jr.

    American Society likes makin excuses for women who do bad things, heres one example and we have jodi arias example and all these female school teachers raping boys across the country, they feel just because he male they are not responsible. thats why so many boys are stuck with older women, because they are young and stupid and romanced by these ladies into getting them pregnant, and then afterwards the older woman has these guys when they turn 18 locked up for none child support. It seems to be always same guys over and over getting girls and women pregnant, that says to me the womens morals and standards aremuch lower than the men in this country. and we have what we have epidemic of female sex crimes and women looking for a male to pay child support acting like they hit the lottery on maury povich everytime they have dna test in their favor for one of 2plus children born out of wedlock with same men are boys who already have 2 or more children with different baby moms…society should make women own up to their crimes and stop letting them try to make it look like they werent responsible for their own low life actions. This is especially true of female caucasions they do horrbile things and society always want to lable it some kind of mental disorder or disease when these women whove had a good life better educated but want to do mean girl things and feel they should have right to be let loose on society to do it again!!! does this sound familar?? heres my proof im going to name too names Lindsay Lowlife Lohan and Prissy she will do almosy almost anything outrageous Paris Hilton a rich hoe with unlimited amount of money..

    • Kelles Petee

      lol…..but whats really hilarious is the women who do act like they won the lottery on maury povich has some idiot up there unemployed living with his mother and they end up on welfare anyways.

  • JS

    I’m wondering if there’s even proof that anything sexual happened or are people (mainly the parents) just jumping to conclusions?

  • gemma_sanji

    ok, all political and moral standpoints aside, the LAW states that you can be up to 4 years apart, correct? Did I read that law wrong? Is that what it’s saying? so, 14 year olds can sleep with 18, 15 with 19, etc.
    So that’s the LAW? Not your beliefs, that is the legal rule of consent? Am I missing something? Did I misunderstand?

    • Kelles Petee

      yeah…. you did miss something……the law Provides an age-gap provision that allows a 16 or 17 year old to consent to consensual conduct with a person 16-23 years of age. she is 15 not 16…and any ways this does not apply to statutory rape felonies…this law only makes it so the offender does not have to register for life as a sex offender

    • gemma_sanji

      OK, thank you, that makes much more sense now! I knew I had to be missing something.

    • Kelles Petee

      ya welcome :)

    • Kelles Petee

      the language of the law does sound quite confusing…i had to read it three times lol

    • Jake Witmer

      The highest law of the land states that jurors can nullify laws that they believe are unjust or being unfairly applied. This is known as “Jury Nullification of law” however a bad Supreme Court decision called “Sparf and Hansen v. USA” (1895) perversely ruled that judges can mislead you into believing you don’t actually have this right. Which is why the USA has 25% of the world’s prison populartion, with only 5% of the world’s population, mostly for first-time, victimless crimes. Combined with unconstitutional “voir dire,” this is how judges obtain unjust convictions for their prosecutor friends.

    • http://www.facebook.com/monika.ballew Monika Ballew

      Actually the law states the victim must be at least 14 and no older than 17.

    • Kelles Petee

      but the age of consent is 16…any younger and it is not consensual it is rape, and anyways this law is only for the removal of the requirement to register as a sex offender, not to beat the rape case

  • my2centsworth

    Glad that wasn’t my parents, i never would have found out about how the real world is by living in that “moral” bubble. We all have to experience to grow. Parents need to understand that young people need nurturing not condemnation. They could have become a great nurturing couple down the road, but now that’s ruined by the overzealous reporting and tunnel-vision mentality of those involved to restrict our youth from becoming themselves and not just a carbon copy of others ideas.

  • Kevin

    I bet if she fit the typical “dyke” sterotype, there would be more outrage and less sympathy for her rape of a minor.

  • Twocenter

    There’s no doubt in my mind that if this were an 18-yr old boy having sex with a 14 or 15 yr old., he would be prosecuted. I’ll admit it; I’m biased. I think 14 is WAY too young to begin a relationship, especially with a senior in HS. Putting personal emotions aside, yes, I do think this needs to be prosecuted and punished. But I do not agree with felony conviction and jail time. Nor should this girl have to register as a sex offender. And the same standards should be put in place for heterosexuals who face a similar scenario.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      A senior in high school is to old for a sophmore? That’s what a 14 year old can be, a sophmore.

    • Jake Witmer

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What happened to the free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate punishing cowards, so proud that they will cave in to the slightest pressure from the prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your
      right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Your vulgar rants are tiresome at the least.

    • Jake Witmer

      Your mindless comments are tiresome, at the least. I’d rather be appropriately vulgar than mindless. Besides, mindlessly favoring doing violence to individual lives is far more vulgar than expressing distaste with that mindless urge to punish. You’re just another “tough on crime” vindictive jerk who’s willing to “cast the first stone.”

      Every neuron in your brain is vulgar. At least only my language is vulgar.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Maybe if she’s a genius. 14 year-old are normally freshmen and mostly only at the beginning of the school year.

    • Jake Witmer

      Lots of sophomores are 14. WAKE UP.

  • star

    The girl in question was 14. Not able to legally consent to sex! Anyone with a 14 year old would not want an 18 old taking advantage of their daughter male or female! By law a 14 year can not give lagall consent I think it’s funny eveyone wants to blame all the the person responsible Kaitlyn Hunt should have know better than to take advatage of such a young girl! If this was a 18 year old male everyone would be all for statutory rape charges! Can’t have it both ways it’s just sad that two lifes have been changed forever because of bad judgement but people have got to teach their kids that they are responsible for what they do the new society wants to blaim everything their kids do wrong or awards they don’t get on someone else!

  • nick

    everyone is emphasizing the point that she was 14, however doesn’t mass media target girls like these and much younger with their sex-ed up shows and role models and music. its sad that we tell girls they cant claim their sexuality because they are too young, but yet sex is shoved in their faces via mainstream media. it may be the “law” but things aren’t always so black and white. this isnt even a grain of sand in the deserts of problems/issues we have with the system though. good luck to these girls.

  • Chris Gonzales

    Parents and young adults need to realize that along with hitting the age of consent, 18, comes the responsibility of abiding by the laws set to protect those that haven’t yet reached that age. I don’t think being gay is the issue here.

  • GetRealOk

    Equal treatment,regardless of one’s sexual preference.The law is the law.Quit making it an anti gay thing.

    • Jake Witmer

      The nazis used the same argument for why it was OK for the state to ruin innocent lives. It’s amazing how often that makes evil OK: “The law is the law!” You moron.

  • 4luvofmoney

    Eventually all of the laws that are used against someone else is going to catch everyone. I say good and fair. What goes around, comes around. Now hear this, Ye shall be judged by the same judgement by which ye judge.

  • ThisIsCrap

    This girl is 14 years old! OF COURSE any responsible parent would be upset boy or girl. This isn’t a gay or straight issue. So many people want to turn this into an issue because the girl says she’s gay that if you don’t agree you are homophobic. How about you don’t agree because you have morals and good values. Too many liberals think anything is okay regardless of age.

  • carlo

    Nothing anti-gay about this. If it was a 17 year old boy and a 14 year old boy or girl, he would do serious time, as he should.
    This 17 year old girl should have know better than to have a sexual relationship with someone barely out of diapers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1019285819 Charisse Busack O’Brien

    My brother was charged with statutory rape when he was 17 and the girl was 16 and it was consensual sex. This happened in the late 60′s in IN.

    • Jake Witmer

      And he was then dehumanized, denied his right to self-defense, etc. How uncivilized! No victim, no crime.

  • Sabrina-Michelle James

    Sadly, I’ve known men who have gotten punished by this, and even women. I think honestly the accusers parents want to punish someone they see as ‘ruining’ their daughter. Which is beyond sad.

    I hope this young woman comes through this stronger, and realizes that when you get into a relationship with another person, you are getting into a relationship with their family, too.

  • prince

    yall actin like shes a clueless 14 year old , these laws are retarted , if your old enough to know what the heck your getting into shouldnt be an issue to me , wow 17 and 14 big woop -_- , in all reality they did it because they dont like that their daughter like women simply put they are bigots .

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Learn to spell. It’s hard to read your post or make any sense out of it. But then, it doesn’t look like it has any sense to it anyway.

    • Jake Witmer

      Crawl back under your rock, redneck.

  • mike

    I SAY AGAIN, Johnathon Montgomery, Brin Banks and Sean Lanigan are men who were falsely accused by underage girls of sex crimes. Johnathon Montgomery AND Brian Banks served years in prison. Sean Lanigan spent more than $140,000 defending himself. It is a gross fallacy to say that if Kaitlyn Hunt had been a male she would have gotten a pass. A falsely accused male could have been wrongfully sentenced to prison and the ACLU would have ignored it. Kaitlyn’s supporters are arguing that she should get a pass because of her gender and her sexual orientation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      How do criminal cases regarding rape fall into the realm of the ACLU? Do you understand what it does? Or do you just know you’re supposed to hate the ACLU because someone told you they were liberal (they’re not, they’ve fought in favor of the 2nd amendment numerous time)?

    • Jake Witmer

      Right you are, my friend!

      That they were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your
      right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

    • Jake Witmer

      That they were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

  • mike

    With regard as to how males are treated when accused of sex crimes, there is the case of over the top Wisconsin prosecutor Lisa Riniker who has charged a 6 year old boy as a sex offender for playing doctor with a 5 year old girl. The girl was equally as culpable but was not charged. Kids that age have no concept of what sex is. Kaitlyn Hunt and her parents and her supporters and the ACLU are not seeking equal treatment for Ms. Hunt. They are seeking special treatment for her, that she should be given a pass because of her gender and sexual orientation. The only thing comparable are all the arguments that Roman Polanski should have been given a pass for committing a child rape because he is a film maker.

    • Jake Witmer

      This was consensual, between two teens, punisher.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      It was NOT consensual as a 14 year-old cannot legally consent to a sexual act. The law is the law and must be upheld equally by everyone – no special favors for some.

    • Jake Witmer

      So you’ve been told, and so you believe, because you’re a conformist. But the reality is that people mature at different rates, and many teenagers all across the nation are having sex, and only a small number of them are being caught in Big Brother’s dragnet. When your views are applied to voting systems, the result is totalitarianism: Congratulations, we’re almost there!

  • mike

    As to whether or not someone under the age of 18 should be considered incapable of committing a sex crime, I remind the readers that the two males convicted in the Steubenville rape case were 16 and 17 years old respectively. That Kaitlyn Hunt might have begun her relationship when she was 17 should not be relevant.

  • Winfield

    Teens have been fck’ng teens for ages, having all kinds of fun and enjoyment, then here comes this shit hole we now call a society, and ruins it for them.

  • Winfield

    Teens have been fck`ng for ages, then here comes along this S” thole septic tank society, and ruins it for them. Let them have their fun and enjoyment while they’re still young.

    • Jake Witmer

      Absolutely!

  • S.Evans

    “In September, shortly after Kaitlyn’s 18th birthday, the girls began dating, and they eventually expressed their affection for one another in intimate ways.”

    In other words, if we turned this into a Boy Girl story, the boy would be headed to jail for Statutory Rape and the Girl would be the victim and this wouldn’t be a story. Gotta love Gay Equality, as is the paradox with most such special interest “equality” legislation, they’ve achieved it, and now they hate it.

    • Jake Witmer

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What
      happened to the free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate
      punishing cowards, so proud that they will cave in to the slightest
      pressure from the prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your
      right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

  • Unnecessary Loginshere

    The law on the books say nothing about only applying to gays. Moral of this story? Don’t have sex with a minor, it’s illegal.

  • christopher wright

    if it had been an18 year old boy, he would be serving a long prison sentence. my 18 year old son had sex with a 15 year old and got 8 years in florida. just wondering why that young lovely girl wants to lap dog another woman

    • Jake Witmer

      Probably because she’s never seen your 3″ warrior.

  • vitto210

    How blind is Justice…..read and educate yourself what a Wa.State Senator son gets fro almost the same ..how do you call this again?

    “The Chinook Observer reports on the punishment to be faced by Hatfield’s son:

    Court documents indicate he will likely face a 104-week counseling program called Special Sex Offender Disposition Alternative (SSODA), 30 days in custody, transfer of jurisdiction to Pacific County, restitution to be determined, school notification, firearms ineligibility and $100 fees to the crime victims fund and for DNA registration. He is eligible for SSODA because he committed non “serious violent” sex offenses and has no prior history of sex offenses. In addition, a notation “M.I.” on his “Statement of Plea of Guilty” indicates juvenile authorities will tell the judge that a “manifest injustice” would result if he was subjected to the full sentencing range specified by state law.’

    American Justice at its best

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Two wrongs would not make a right. The girl and the senator’s son both need to go to prison,

    • Jake Witmer

      You’re an uncivilized redneck.

  • Justice is served

    This is more than fair to me. Its a shame that people are even stepping in and claiming she is being discriminated against. Can you imagine how bad they would barbecue a 18 year old guy who was reported to have sex with a 14/15 year old girl?! This law was put in place to protect young unsuspecting children at 14 years old to be protected against predators like thsi 18 year old female who took advantage of the poor young girl. She is paying the price now and I hope justice is served.

    • chene1991

      18 year old boys have sex with 15 year old girls all the time. And no one does anything. These two girls knew each other and were friends before they started dating. So how do you figure she was an unsuspecting victim that was being taken advantage of? That is not at all what happened here. And if you think that then you are just as bad as her parents.

    • Jake Witmer

      Absolutely. Know your rights as a member of the Jury. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” …you may one day have the power to set someone free from these un-American psychopathic puritans.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Wrong, 18 year-old guys go to prison all the time for this!

    • Jake Witmer

      If you hope justice is served, then you hope the jury acquits her, and nullifies the law? Good! Then you’re a decent human being who doesn’t want to destroy teenage love and turn it into grotesque hatred and imprisonment.

      Or did I get you wrong, and you’re really as American as Auschwitz?

  • paintwagon

    Sooooo…I guess that ‘equals’ sign isnt supposed to be applied here?

    • Jake Witmer

      That depends: Does the equal sign mean “Equality under the law” or “Equality under lawless injustice of a police state gone totalitarian”?

      If it’s the latter, then by all means, cast the first stone.

    • paintwagon

      That would be the law governing every other 18 year old who is having sex with a 15 year old.

    • Jake Witmer

      In which case, that law should also be nullified by the jury, as the founders intended.

    • paintwagon

      Founders didnt say anything about the subject. Only about State’s rights.

  • christian michaels

    It won’t be until the government can legislate every action and thought of every individual that we will be safe from the things that scare us. Recently a teen was arrested and jailed for throwing a water balloon. Serious crimes must be dealt with severely if we are to survive. We are in this mess today only because when I was a kid we were not punished and jailed for such crimes. Once we kids even stayed up late. But that was back in the late fifties before we knew how that could lead to criminal lives.

    We definately need more sever laws and many more cops to enforce them if we are to finally have a nice society.

    • Kelles Petee

      lol….so your answer to this is bigger government!….more laws and more control over our personal lives and private decisions…..this is a choice she made to commit serious felonies by engaging in sexual acts with a minor child….”news flash” that is against the law

    • Jake Witmer

      He’s obviously being sarcastic you moronic fuck.

    • Jake Witmer

      Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

      -H. L. Mencken

  • GIVEMEFREEDOM

    In a “sex neutral” society which the homosexual class wants, this young girl merits NO special treatment except that which would be normally considered under the circumstances.

  • idk

    the biggest point in this story is the young girls parents who are anti-gay and mean–they should be charged for 1st degree malicious behavior

    • johnedwinschmeski

      Wow,there is still stupid people around yet huh IDK you sure take the cake for being one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      You’re not charged in this country because of your beliefs.

    • Jake Witmer

      Which part of the two elements of a “body of crime” (corpus delecti) do you not comprehend? “Injury,” or “Intent to injure”? Or do you not comprehend that they both have to exist together in order for there to be a crime? Just curious.

  • Katie

    She’s a sexual predator and belongs in prison!

  • gleppa@yahoo.com

    where does the law get it thatit wasnt consent when parents put there two sence in and say it wasnt how they know they wasnt there and if it wasnt consent then i feel the child would of said something sooner

  • Alb

    The pathetic honest truth is if this 18 yr old had been the senior starting star QB or star basketball player, they would have been elated ‘he’ was dating thier baby girl.
    My heart goes out to Hunt and to the younger girl, they have a long road of misery to deal with from these hateful parents….and many years from now they will see the light and truth of their daughter and realize they really screwed up.Been there….and know all about it. Laws or no laws …parents need to listen and talk to thier kids and understand that they may not meet your ‘plans’ just as the parents probably didn’t meet their own parents. And if next you want to bring God into this…then you have to ask yourself, how do you know this isn’t God’s plan? Only God knows…

    • Jake Witmer

      Always remember, if called for jury duty, know your rights, but keep quiet about your knowledge. Get seated, and nullify wrongful prosecutions!

  • http://www.blueprintmarketing.com/ Thomas Zickell

    I think there is to be something else involved. I’m not saying that anyone’s done anything wrong I just cannot believe that a court of law that deals with real felons all day can see the difference between two high school students doing whatever they’re going to do.

    In my opinion the parents that knew this was happening if they were truly so upset and thought this was such an evil thing to do. They would’ve taken drastic steps to protect their daughter prior to waiting for this girl to turn 18.

    As the younger girls legal guardians I would argue the parents of the younger girl are negligent and therefore contributed to this act and should be punished accordingly if they really believe what they’re saying.

    I would equate this to a parent allowing the child to do drugs or drink underage with a classmate and then watching them drive away with out the parents stopping them for driving drunk.

    Do you believe that if the scenario was they had left the parents house who watch them consume alcohol and then allow them to drive that the parents would not, be to blame for not taking control and stepping in and using their own methods to prevent this from occurring.

    I’m sorry if my analogy is not the best. However I do believe that if these parents are saying yes we watched our daughter do this with this other girl. We felt it was a crime that warranted a felony and we did nothing about it in fact we allowed this girl in our home and we allowed our daughter out to see her. if I were a attorney I would argue parents of the younger girl are to receive similar sense if the sentences handed down.

    Obviously I’m not insane I think this is one of the dumbest things the state has done I really hope somebody will step in and make this type of witch hunt no longer something that is illegal.

    I am of the firm belief that if people are within a relative range of age 4 years I don’t know they must be peers that the Law she is being charged with should not apply.

    I think this is going to be picked up by all sorts of rights groups along with any attorney who wants to see some sort of true justice in the world. I do believe there are quite a few of them.

    I wonder if giving out information about the victims sexual orientation is legal? it is a rape case right should not the so-called victim in this case not have any of their personal preferences or anything similar to that such as there such sexuality be used in a trial?

    I am not some buddy that really cares that much about most of the stuff but when you see something this stupid I hope whoever is reading this will pass on the discussed I have for the state prosecuting a girl for hooking up with another girl from the same high school she attended.

    This is beyond stupid, and as a resident of Florida I really do not like to see my tax dollars go to prosecuting high school kids for hooking up.

    The parents along with the decision-maker to press charges should honestly pay the taxpayers back. After they drop this case.

    I would not be surprised if this case is turned over to somebody with more sense than whoever prosecuted this girl and I believe there was no true crime committed.

    The only Real crime I could actually see happening is the younger girls parents deliberately waiting to prosecute the other girl for something they knew was happening, and they as parents did not stop using their own methods like grounding if you can’t control your children when you believe a felony is occurring maybe he shouldn’t be there Guardian.

    I wish the girl who is being prosecuted the best of luck, and hopefully this will actually do something to stop this ludicrous witchhunt.

    I would hope the police would also intend on arresting everyone that’s ever been impregnated by somebody that is over the age of 18 when they were 17, but I don’t see that happening. Nor would I want to happen. However the same rules would apply. And proof would be in the pregnancy.

  • Donna

    I think it is a fair decision, and she should be proscuted. I was in same situation with my 14 year old daughter and a 18 year old boy. They both wound up paying a fine, which was stupid as I had to pay it, when I brought up charges. He should have gotten jail time…..but I live in WI…land of do a crime and get away with it! Heck in WI children and I mean children can drink at a bar as long as daddy and mommy say its ok…..yeah right!

    • Jake Witmer

      Yeah, you’re right donna, nevermind the whole individual rights thing, the government’s prosecutors should control every aspect of our lives, and all kinds of capricious punishments should govern our behavior, even where there’s no cause of action. Idiot.

  • Desmond Front

    Nothing anti-gay about this girl being prosecuted, as guys get prosecuted for it all of the time. It’s still stupid, though. We shouldn’t have arbitrary rules about who can have consensual sex. It should be a fact-issue for a jury to decide. The law could even be changed to state that anyone under a certain age is presumed to be unable to consent to sex, but then the presumption could be rebuttable. Someone accused like this should have the opportunity to try to show that, say, a 14 year-old was fully aware of what she was doing and capable of consenting. I would think that in a case like this, where there ages were so close, that the defendant wouldn’t have too hard of a time. Obviously, where you have some 25 or 30 year-old “dating” a 14 year-old, then it would probably be much harder on the defendant. The problem with the current law is that the only protection a defendant like this girl has is prosecutorial discretion, but that’s not much protection at all.

  • madras2011

    regardless of the fact that she is is gay or not( which does not bother me as i have a few gay people in my family and they are great) And she shouldnt be using the excuse of “they are only treating me this way because im gay” If her gf was a bf she would still be getting charged… the fact is that she broke the law and theres no way around it. so grow up and accept responsability for your actions

  • Ruth

    What’s good for the gander is good for the goose! Equal rights is also equal in Law! If this was an 18 year old male with a consenting 14 year old female, the boy wouldn’t stand a chance…Why should this girl get special treatment?

    • Kelles Petee

      because she is “gay” lol…..not a “pedophile”….i agree Ruth, good comment!

    • Jake Witmer

      Maybe because we want to live in a society that is just and compassionate? Maybe because we don’t want to surrender our republic to overzealous prosecutors?

  • NoneofYourBusiness

    This is NOT an anti-gay issue, rather it is simply a level playing field. Laws against statutory rape are and should be blind to sexual orientation and gender. there should NOT be special laws for gay/lesbian couples. The intent is to protect young people from indiscretions of youth and undue influence of older sexual predators. There is nothing special about a lesbian that makes them less dangerous than any other combination of sexual orientations.

  • Kill Gays

    Just a few short years ago homosexual deviance was a felony. I suppose the gays and lesbians wont be happy until the law allows them to rape our children.

    • Kelles Petee

      exactly, that’s what they want. its proven 80% of gay men ages 30-60 are attracted to young boys, we call them pedophiles……just do a little research! and you will be as disgusted and sickened with gays as i am!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.bittner.9 Patrick Bittner

      Proven by whom? The other men you invite to your basement to talk about man on boy sex with ? In case you’re lost on this, I’m saying you’re like a catholic priest, telling us about sins, while lusting for them yourself. Sad and pathetic.

    • Kelles Petee

      i am not lost in anything idiot!….i can read f u k e r b o y….i am not a preist i dont have a basement and i dont talk about engage in or think about sex with young boys…i am a p.ssy fkng magnet….you wish you could be a fly on the wall in my bedroom so you could learn how to please a woman!!!!! get off your moms couch and get a job get some money and stop beating off to my comments wierdo!!!!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      How dare you insinuate what another person lusts for or doesn’t lust for. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they have ulterior motives for doing so. Maybe you are projecting your own phantasies.

    • Jake Witmer

      You sound like you’d be a lot happier living in Iran, where they do murder gay people. Ahh, murder of people who have not committed any crime! The standards in America just keep rising. I think the government school system was a real success!

      It’s 1984 – hatred is good, freedom is slavery…

  • Richard Nixon 2012

    I guess the rule “14 will get you 20″ doesn’t apply to lesbian pedos. Keep your paws off the kiddies, ladies. 18 year old men have been doing hard time for this exact thing for years. Now it’s your turn. You want to be treated equal? Now you are.

    • Jake Witmer

      Still tough on crime, eh Dick?

  • KG

    The real issue isn’t about gay or straight, girls or boys. It should be about children having sex. A 14 year old should not be having sex! We are too used to this and it is becoming common place when it should not be!

  • Concerned Literary Professor

    All of you are at each others throat over the romeo & juliet law, and I quote ”

    Section 943.04354, F.S. (“Romeo and Juliet” Law):

    • Provides petition process for removal of the requirement to register for qualifying offenders who are already on the sex offender registry.

    • For offenses that occurred on or after July 1, 2007, allows qualifying
    offenders to make a motion to the court for relief of the requirement
    to register.

    • Allows a 4 year age gap between the victim and the offender for exclusion of the registration requirements for certain offenses that are consensual.

    • Victim must be at least 14 but no older than 17 years of age.

    Section 794.05, F.S.:

    • Provides an age-gap provision that allows a 16 or 17 year old to
    consent to consensual conduct with a person 16-23 years of age.

    It is unclear whether this law protects same sex couples. But even if
    it did, it still would not make the two felony charges go away.”

    So now that you have read it again. I hope you GET IT, I t does not say the act is legal. IT say’s the person can petition the court so the don’t have a sex offender conviction on their record, witch would mean no need for registration as sex offender!!!!! thank you very much.

  • Goat

    Having worked in prison for the last 22 years, I have seen countless cases of males who were 18 and there girlfriend was 14,15 or 16 and they get charged and convicted. I don’t see a need for a double standard now simply because they are female. Treat everyone the same regardless of sexual orientation.

    • Jake Witmer

      Yeah, more punishment! That’ll get American back on track! Lock everybody up! Just like Joseph Stalin did! A gulag for everyone!

      Or we could grow some balls and stand up to our local tyrant prosecutors and judges. That might be an option.

  • Mitchel

    What I never understood about highschool and these laws are this…. In highschool grades 9-12(age 14-18) these children see each other almost everyday from passing by each other in the hallways, or if they’re in a higher or lower level classroom. In my opinion it’s expected that they will have some level of attraction to one another because they’re interacting almost daily….at most they’re 4 years apart. Where i would feel more concerned about is a highschooler dating a child from middleschool. So wouldn’t it make more sense to leave that group alone, like not proscecute two people who are both in highschool rather than to prosecute two people who are not in the same four year group, like someone out of highschool dating someone who’s still attending highschool and someone in highschool dating someone in middleschool?

  • http://twitter.com/007INVESTIGATOR Texas007

    this is sooooooooooooooo not right and Florida of all places, they need to concentrate on busting Casey Anthony not this girl Casey is the criminal not her

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      They both are criminals.

  • Powell McHaney

    You must be joking.

  • 25800

    gays keep demanding equality, till equal isn’t fair, rape is rape, so she’s a hot lesbian or some pimple faced male 18 year old boy a fifteen year old girl is still jail bait!

  • jake kemp,

    no wonder our legal system is completely broken, I can’t believe there are so many ignorant people who are not able to have a logical thought in their head. If two people care for each other it should not matter what sex it is and if it is not forced it does not hurt anyone. We do need to look at Europe

  • John

    Hopefully they will not get each other pregnant….wait they are the same gender.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Anderson/100000577372388 Eric Anderson

    I’m sorry…..did I miss the memo where it says lesbians are exempt?

    Adults are not supposed to be having sex with children. It’s a simple rule.

  • dmr2701

    It is not only illegal, it is immoral and direct violation of God’s laws. It is perversion and the perverting of a child. Our country is being forced down into the dregs of homosexuality. I will not go willingly, nor ever accept such behavior as anything but sinful. This sin destroys societies and nations.

    • sickofstupid

      Bible thunping freaks like you destroy society! I can’t wait for your judgement day you tool! Mean while sit in your glass house and keep throwing stones. FYI they have pills for psycho!

    • Jake Witmer

      Stay away from our kid! We hate your love!

      Oh, you want to go bomb kids in Pakistan with drones and rockets? That’s OK. Why didn’t you say so?

      It
      would be the same if she were a confused young man, full of
      testosterone. America has a hard-on for hate, and no time for love, and
      no brains for law. No wonder the land of the free has the fullest
      prisons in the world!

      Add the government youth propaganda camps
      to all of that, and it’s no wonder nobody knows what their rights are as
      members of the Jury.

      Lesson to those in love: the officer’s billy club can separate you,
      even in the land of the formerly free and formerly brave. You’re just
      as enslaved in America as in Germany in the 1930s, but your masters want
      more milk out of you, so they’ll give you slightly more leeway…
      We’re brave enough to bomb Pakistani kids from a mile in the sky with a
      remote-controlled robot, but not brave enough to let our teenage
      children pursue love…

      Two of the most awesome things you can read, free on the net: Google Fully Informed Jury Association.
      and
      “Why I Am Not A Conservative” by F. A. Hayek.

      The
      jury has the right to acquit based on their consciences. This was
      ultimately how the Fugitive Slave Act was defeated in the North, and how
      prohibition was defeated.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What happened to the
      free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate punishing cowards,
      so proud that they will cave in to the slightest pressure from the
      prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Again: Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn
      about jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and
      your right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you
      off and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      if you’re called, shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks
      that America has lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is
      better than none.

  • The Queen of Halloween

    I just don’t get it – regardless of same sex relationship or not. They were dating for a few months, now all of a sudden she has a birthday and now it’s a huge thing??? If the younger girls parents didn’t approve of the relationship why wasn’t something done before she turned 18? I bet you if she was dating a 18 year old guy the parents would keep their mouths shut. I really think it has something to do with the fact that it was a GIRLfriend and not a boyfriend.

    I worked at a hotel years ago and during a high school ski trip – these 3 girls (12, 12 and 13) were found in a room with 2 boys and a girl – the boys were 19 and the other girl was 18. There was video of they all having sex together. The 13-yr old and the 18-yr old were doing the lesbian thing and the dudes were having sex with the other girls. Fine and dandy when the parents showed up they were showed the video – the only ones to press charges were the parents of the girl with the other girl. her mother commented to me I wouldn’t care so much of her screwing some dude, but it was a girlllll.

    I think a lot more people are lenient with the age thing if the parents approve of the partner. I dated a 17 year old when I was 21 – he turned 18 a few weeks later, he father loved me. if he was 16 and I was 21 I don’t think there would have been a problem either. when I was 19 I dated a 15 year old – no one thought anything of it. 31 years ago in the month of August my sister was 15 at the time started dating a 21 year old (he turned 21 in July and she would turn 16 in October) – they’re 5 years apart. My parents weren’t thrilled BUT it wasn’t a big thing back then. Needless to say in August my sister and brother-in-law will be celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary …

    I don’t think its really an age thing I think it’s a gay thing. To me, I really don’t think it’s a big deal between two females – it’s not like it’s intercourse – except with toys, if they even had that – using tongues don’t really count as intercourse.

    Remember back in the day when people use to get married at 12 to a 20 something year old? or they were 20 and married a 40 year old. oh yeah that was before unnecessary laws came around. These are two kids, in the same school – let them be. they’re probably broken up by now – and who knows they’re next partners may be male…

  • C. Adkins

    this is what happens when you combine lower and higher grades.

  • Yeah-Me-Again

    Yes it’s fair. If Kaitlyn was a guy and the younger girl’s parents reported the situation, he would have been arrested! If you want equal rights under the law you have to be willing to take equal punishment under the law.

    • Jake Witmer

      Or you could go the American route instead of the Stalinist route, and say “noone should be punished.” That would be the option of intellectual integrity and bravery.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What
      happened to the free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate
      punishing cowards, so proud that they will cave in to the slightest
      pressure from the prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn about
      jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and your
      right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you off
      and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has
      lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

  • barkleydog

    The rules must be the same whether the parties are straight/gay/lesbian/male/female. Underage KIDS are off-limits, no exceptions, period.

    • Jake Witmer

      two teenagers =/= kids

  • acb

    she is one ugly eerie looking girl

  • Jeri C

    What a parent, in this situation, should have the right to do, is to forbid their child from contact in a situation where they feel it is age inappropriate in a case like this. Destroying another child’s life with criminal action brought against them for something as ordinary and usual as teens experimenting with their natural feelings is, and should be, considered the crime here. There are appropriate ways to parent, and calling the police because you’re uncomfortable that your daughter is gay…or your child, gay or straight, is having adult sexual feelings, and acting upon them is not the appropriate response. These parents need to “parent” and not “punish” others for the things that make them uncomfortable. Congrats parents: You’ve officially alienated your daughter’s affections from you permanently. Good job.

    • invtemp

      No one is talking about destroying another child’s life.

      They’re talking about destroying an adult’s life.. an adult who committed statutory rape.

      And, what an irresponsible thing for you to say, “Congrats parents: You’ve officially alienated your daughter’s affections from you permanently. Good job.”
      Parents are not here to keep their daughters’ affections. They’re here to keep their teenaged daughters safe and under the parents’ control.

    • Jeri C

      I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion, but this isn’t an adult preying on a child…these are two children who, with reasonable windows of age span acted together, as teens do…and the vindictive parents waiting until the age “18″ came into the equation to pounce. So don’t give me your high and mighty garbage.

  • Mike Kercher

    Teenagers are driven to stupidity and poor choices by their hormone’s. Even if she does deserve consequences (and I’m not saying she does) it should definitely not include consequences that can follow her the rest of her life. And the parents of the younger girl need to accept that no one “turned” their daughter gay. First of all, if she hadn’t got into a relationship with this girl, she probably would have with another one anyway. At least from what I’ve heard from other women, a great many girls ‘experiment’ with other girls. And secondly, there’s probably a high percentage chance the girl will end up in a relationship with a guy anyway (and he’ll no doubt be a shiftless idiot that the parents can’t stand!). Thirdly, if the parents knew anything about psychology they’d, realize that their forcing their ‘morals’ on the girl and punishing her girl friend is more apt to have the opposite effect on their daughter than the effect they’re looking for.

    • Common Sense

      You said, “Teenagers are driven to stupidity and poor choices by their hormone’s. Even if she does deserve consequences (and I’m not saying she does) it should definitely not include consequences that can follow her the rest of her life.”

      Do you say the same thing about 18 year old boys who have sex with 14 year old girls? The problem is that people are not truly practicing equally. The penalty of the law should fall on anyone who violates it, irrespective of their sexual orientation. It is injustice to give someone favoritism just because of their sexual orientation.

      Would you allow your 14 year old daughter to have sex with an 18 year old man? If you don’t allow it, “she probably would have with another one anyways.” Would you be “forcing your morals on the girl and punishing” her boyfriend, if you called the Police?

      14 year old lack good judgment in many ways, which is why the age of consent is higher and why they still depend upon their parents in many things. A 14 year old can be sexually manipulated by an older person, regardless of their sexual orientation, and it is therefore wrong for an 18 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. It’s called rape. Predators manipulate the newly developing passions and emotions of these young children and capitalize on their ignorance.

    • Mike Kercher

      The truth is no, I would not see it the same way if it were an 18 yr old boy. For one thing, most 18 yr old boys are self centered, ego driven, complete idiots, at least when it comes to sex and relationships. Generally speaking, far more interested in impressing their friends than in treating a girl with even genuine respect, let alone love. Plus the fact that a boy takes the very real risk of getting the girl pregnant, which to me is a huge difference. The risks of having any long range consequences on the girls life in this case are barely existent. Is it wrong for a 17 yr old girl to get in a relationship with a 14 yr old girl? yeah, it probably is. Does it warrant a lifetime of consequences? Not in my opinion.

    • invtemp

      @MikeKercher, your reply is reprehensible.

      Your bigotry against men is indefensible in this free country. You say that the girl should get off of her crime, because she was driven to stupidity and “poor choices” by her hormones.

      Yet, you say that men are self-centered, ego-driven, complete idiots (the same thing as the girls are, as you stated) so you want the men to suffer the very things you’re trying to spare the girls.

      You didn’t argue about whether this woman was in the affair, in order to show “genuine respect” or love to the younger girl! Funny about your gross double-standards.

      And, the risk of pregnancy you mentioned is the risk that SHE takes… not him. He runs no risk of getting pregnant. You’re unabashed in your trying to make males responsible, accountable, and punishable for everything that either they or the females do… and then you want to make the females un-punishable when they break the very same laws.

      Shame on you. I am ashamed to call you my countryman.

    • Jake Witmer

      Stay away from our kid! We hate your love!

      Oh, you want to go bomb kids in Pakistan with drones and rockets? That’s OK. Why didn’t you say so?

      It
      would be the same if she were a confused young man, full of
      testosterone. America has a hard-on for hate, and no time for love, and
      no brains for law. No wonder the land of the free has the fullest
      prisons in the world!

      Add the government youth propaganda camps
      to all of that, and it’s no wonder nobody knows what their rights are as
      members of the Jury.

      Lesson to those in love: the officer’s billy club can separate you,
      even in the land of the formerly free and formerly brave. You’re just
      as enslaved in America as in Germany in the 1930s, but your masters want
      more milk out of you, so they’ll give you slightly more leeway…
      We’re brave enough to bomb Pakistani kids from a mile in the sky with a
      remote-controlled robot, but not brave enough to let our teenage
      children pursue love…

      Two of the most awesome things you can read, free on the net: Google Fully Informed Jury Association.
      and
      “Why I Am Not A Conservative” by F. A. Hayek.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Sorry, it sounds like this girl was a predator. She sneaked the girl out of her house, picked on an impressionable young girl because she could dupe her. Don’t see the difference between that and the boys you describe above. Her gender should not take away her culpability.

  • Common Sense

    Real equality is when the law is upheld and enforced nobody who violated it. Unlawful sex with a child is unlawful sex with a child, whether it is between an older women and a young boy, an older man and a young girl, an older women and a young girl, or an older man and a young boy. Nobody should have special rights or special permission to rape children just because of their sexual orientation.

    • Jake Witmer

      Nobody? Not even robots with chainsaws for phalluses? That’s quite a “tuff on crime” stance you’ve taken there. Very daring, screaming for the blood of a teenage girl, with all the other tough guys (who instantly cave in and suck the cock of the prosecutor at the slightest pressure) on this board.

      But I’d really like to know: How many guys on this board, if the two girls propositioned them for a three-way, would have JUMPED ON IT? Probably more than one of these holier-than-thou prickheads.

  • ReadYourBible

    It has long been the agenda of the homosexual movement to change the age of consent laws so that they can have sex with children. This is apparently their strategy for doing so. If this was an older man having sex with a female child, there would be less sympathy from the public. The homosexual movement is capitalizing on this situation to change the age of consent laws, or at least create an inequality in the legal system so that they are not subjected to the age of consent laws.

    • sickofstupid

      Your an idiot and should be shot for making the entire human race look stupid! May God strike you dead for being this dumb!

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      It’s “you’re”, not “your”, so who’s “stupid” here? Name calling without providing substance for your stance is infantile behavior.

    • Jake Witmer

      Redneck, why don’t you follow your own advice and go back up to my comment that differentiates between legitimate law and illegitimate law. Why don’t you address that logic, if you’re able to provide substance for your stance?

      Because you’re totally and completely incapable of refuting my logic, so you just say, of both legitimate and illegitimate law, “they’re both laws!” Actually, you moron, they’re not both laws, since even the Supreme Court has stated clearly that when any law violates the Constitution it is “null and void from its inception.” Now, they don’t apply that intelligently or fairly, but that’s been a basic tenet of U.S. law since “Marbury v. Madison”…

      Your comments are beneath civilized discourse. Name calling is appropriate for you, the second you failed to respond to the logic of my arguments, and instead flung your own ad-hominems at me. The difference is that logic, human compassion, and reason are on my side, not yours.

      Crawl back under your rock, bible-thumper.

  • ebbette

    Amazingly, in the parish in which I live in Louisiana, my step-son was 16, lived with his father and me, and having a sexual relationship with a 14 year old that started while she was still 13. Guess what? My husband repeatedly called law enforcement, got the courts involved, did everything he could to stop it and unless the GIRL’S parents had a problem with it, they would do nothing. I also thought the “law is the law”. As soon as he turned 17 he moved in with his uncle (he could have lived with his mother but she had spent the 8 years I raised him MIA doing cocaine) and the relationship ended when the girl, at age 15, broke up with my step-son because he kept cheating on her. At age 20, he began a relationship with a 16 year old whose parents also didn’t object and they became engaged even though she would break up with him for no reason and finally for good about 6 months ago. Now, he’s 22 and brought his newest girlfriend over because my husband wanted to talk to him in private about his life direction and he told his son to come back alone which probably angered the “little girl” and my husband’s comment was his son seems to trade them in once they get close to 18. My husband wouldn’t know how to do anything wrong if you gave him the instruction book and his son’s behavior appalls him (he got an “other than honorable” discharge from the Army for failing drug tests and my husband doesn’t even drink, much less do drugs). It amazes me that a child can live with a parent who is honest, loyal, caring, has an extremely good work ethic and spends extremely little time with the other parent yet always wanted to live in the area his mother’s family lives because they let him do whatever he wanted and when he turned 17, my husband, who had custody, could do nothing about it. Other than the fact that my step-son is breaking the law, what in the heck is wrong with these girls’ parents, not to mention the law only works one way here?

    • Kelles Petee

      keep a close eye on him……that is very disturbing behavior, he may be youthful in age but he is a child molester. if the police are not doing anything call the district attorney

    • invtemp

      No, he is not a child molester, regardless of his age. No one who has relations with a 16- or 17-year-old is a “child molester”.

      All the girls he’s dated since he became an adult are wayyyyy past puberty… which is the cut-off for calling someone a child molester.

      Pedophilia (love/lust for children) is a real disease, and it is not something on which the state government gets to vote. The state also doesn’t get to vote on whether someone has the flu. (Oh, maybe they have the “statutory flu”.)

      Pedophiles are those who molest children… not those who date 17-year-old gals who have curves, hair in lots of places, and deal with monthly cycles.

      Children can be identified by their physical traits (they are visibly, obviously children). Young women who are ready and prime for mating can also be identified this way (and in no other way)… visible, physical traits. This young man (ebette’s step-son) is simply a man who is attracted to the same gals that every single other man is attracted to… those who are in their prime; ripe; ready for natural, normal, human mating.

    • Kelles Petee

      wow,……….idk what to say smh…….i was wrong…………….it is you we need to watch……. and him……your comment is disgusting and immoral at best…..a child as defined in the law in California is any person under the age of 18….your moral compass is so far off im surprised you can find your way home at night! your the reason my teenager has a curfew…….

    • anotherview2

      Guest: Before sexual hysteria swamped America, we called boys and girls under 18 by various names: kids, adolescents, youngsters, minors, youth, and so. Nobody called such boys and girls “children.” They would’ve taken this term as an insult, being very conscious of their age. The State Legislature of California may define a child as any person under the age of 18, but this age represents an arbitrary view. After all, a minor of 17 may join the military with his or her parent’s consent. Does this 17-year-old transform in one day from child to young adult? I think not. Other states may set another age defining the status of underage youth. The state has gone too far in trying to outlaw or regulate sexual relations among the young.

    • jakku

      If he was 18, it would have been different. But as you siad, the police cannot do anything if he was 17. In this case, the girl was 18 when the police took action.

    • Jake Witmer

      So, what you’re basically saying is that you’re white trash who tried to drop the hammer of the law on their own kid for getting laid? Interesting.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      She says that her husband is moral, hard-working and honest. Not the usual adjectives used to describe “white trash”. Don’t use name-calling just because you don’t like someone’s opinion.

    • Jake Witmer

      Shut up, you stupid hole. Go waaay up to the top of the page and address my arguments about the difference between legitimate law and illegitimate law if you want to be taken seriously as someone worthy of debate.

    • Jake Witmer

      ebbette noir is more like it.

      Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
      –H. L. Mencken

  • forasafernc

    Gays ask for equal rights. Fine and dandy. Now they can see the other side of it. SHe should get the max penalty for the law violation. Her being gay has nothing to factor in. She did it, she should go to prison,,there are plenty of legal aged women there…

  • tom

    and the problem comes when the parent does not consent to the relationship. There are so many high school kids that would be in jail now if all the parents called the police for a 17 yr old male that was having a relationship with a 14 year old girl. Wake up folks for it is happening. Girls now are getting pregnet at that age if not younger. They are not doing it alone.I have yet to hear anything about what the younger girl has said about the relationship and how she felt about it. I suspect her parents have probably threaten her with every type of punishment they can think of if the younger girl comes out and says it was concentual. If anyone has read anything the younger girl has said please post it so i can find it….in the mean time i will google it.

    • jakku

      SHe was 18 years old when the parents complaiend. This is after several warnings to stay away from their kid. Every parent has a right to limit their children’s behaviour. They are legally responsible for any harm that might come to their daughter and hence have the right to decide who their kids go out with.

    • Jake Witmer

      Stay away from our kid! We hate your love!

      Oh, you want to go bomb kids in Pakistan with drones and rockets? That’s OK. Why didn’t you say so?

      It would be the same if she were a confused young man, full of testosterone. America has a hard-on for hate, and no time for love, and no brains for law. No wonder the land of the free has the fullest prisons in the world!

      Add the government youth propaganda camps to all of that, and it’s no wonder nobody knows what their rights are as members of the Jury.

      Lesson to those in love: the officer’s billy club can separate you,
      even in the land of the formerly free and formerly brave. You’re just
      as enslaved in America as in Germany in the 1930s, but your masters want
      more milk out of you, so they’ll give you slightly more leeway…
      We’re brave enough to bomb Pakistani kids from a mile in the sky with a
      remote-controlled robot, but not brave enough to let our teenage
      children pursue love…

      Two of the most awesome things you can read, free on the net: Google Fully Informed Jury Association.
      and
      “Why I Am Not A Conservative” by F. A. Hayek.

      The
      jury has the right to acquit based on their consciences. This was
      ultimately how the Fugitive Slave Act was defeated in the North, and how
      prohibition was defeated.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What happened to the
      free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate punishing cowards,
      so proud that they will cave in to the slightest pressure from the
      prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Again: Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn
      about jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and
      your right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you
      off and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      if you’re called, shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks
      that America has lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is
      better than none.

  • Amber

    This is a very poorly researched and fallacious article. According to the police affidavit, the relationship started when the girls were 14 and 18. If this had been a young man having sex with a 14 year old girl in the school bathroom, everyone would be appalled and all for throwing the book at him. This is not about lesbianism, it is about sex with a minor too young to legally give consent.

    • jakku

      True. I really dont understand why CNN and other media is giving this a gay twist, other than the only reason I can think of… to get public attention. Shame on CNN for this. My heart goes out to the 14 year old’s parents who would have been really concerned when they found their 14 year old missing in the middle of the night from her bedroom and then found to be in the company of this 18 year old.. That fact has some how been lost in all this.

  • anotherview2

    Typical of the supporters of the homosexual agenda, the writer tosses in the accusation of “homophobia,” as if to suggest homosexuality has something to do with the alleged crime of the sex relations between these two youngsters.

    Further, this term “homophobia” itself represents sloppy thinking. After all, the term “homo” has at least two meanings: 1) man; and 2) homosexual via a shortening of this noun. The term “phobia” means fear or irrational fear. So certainly the term “homophobia” cannot mean simply “fear of men.” Hence, we may presume, it means something akin to irrational fear of homosexuals.

    Used by homosexuals or their supporters, however, this term “homophobia” when used as an accusation applies to anybody who criticizes the actions of individuals with the profound disorder of mind resulting in homosexuality. This accusation supposes no one may rationally critique homosexuality and its manifest behavior including the consequences thereof.

    Meanwhile, the law itself barely recognizes that youngsters will have sex with one another. A reasonable person must admit this behavior happens, and, further, adults cannot stop this sexual activity, and will face continuing frustration in trying to regulate it.

    Let us all agree the law should protect youngsters from the predatory adult who would commit sex crimes against youngsters. But the law has gone too far when it tries to regulate the sexual activity of youngsters among themselves.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      Children need to be protected from predator children as well as from predator adults. They must be protected from all predators.

  • Me

    Anyone that thinks a 14 year old today is the same as a 14 year old 20 years ago needs a clue. It’s a different time. I have had 14 year old girls sending my sons naked pics on their phones times and teens are different. The laws need to be changed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

      No, we don’t change the laws because our children don’t want to obey them. We teach our children to respect and obey our laws. We are put on this earth, as parents, to guide our children, not to cow-tow to them!

  • Testor

    These laws were created to punish real sicko pervert metal cases not high school kids. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. What a waste of tax payer money clogging up the courts with this crap. This is an issue the parents need to work out not the D.A. WTF happened to parenting? Huh???? You people need the courts and the government to do everything for you, even wipe your ass. We’re totally screwed.

  • jakku

    I really dont understand why they are putting a gay twist to this, the media and everyone else. I can understand Kaitlyn’s parents donig that since they want their daughter out. This is simply a case where an 18 year old adult was having sexual relations with a kid 4 years younger than her. A lot of 18 year olds have been arrested and tried for similar crimes. If they were a year or so apart, I am sure the authorities would have been linient. I also understand form other reports, that the 18 year old was having relations with the 14 year old (yes 14 not 15), inspite of her parent’s objections which must be taken into account and respected since they are the legal guardians even if it was an heterosexual relation. Secondly, the parents complained only after they found their young 14 year old kid missing from her bedroom allegedly taken by this 18 year old in her car, after which they were very concerned and went searching everywhere for their daughter. This is clearly a case of rape and kidnapping.

    • Jake Witmer

      Are you posting this from Iran?

  • DK

    As a teacher, and more importantly, a former teenager, the reaction to her relationship is overboard. Would there be an issue if she was a he? One of my students, 16 now, is married to a 25 year old. But everyone in this small town seems to look the other way. I have a 7th grader who is seeing a 19-20 year old, and her parents seem to give a crap. I do, thats the sort of relationship where I draw the line. He’s banned from school functions but no one will do anything else about it. That means our small town useless cop too.

  • Debbie

    15 and 18 are not close in age. No, I don’t think this was unfair.

  • Ruben

    met the mother of my kids when she was 15 and i was 17. Her parents were fine with it. At one point her family was homeless and I moved them all in with my family. During the relationship I turned 18. Her family eventually moved out a few weeks later I got a call from an officer saying if I continued the relationship I’d be charged. Took a few years but eventually we were together again and have 2 amazing kids together. Lesson to kids sometimes it’s smarter to wait.

    • Jake Witmer

      Lesson to those in love: the officer’s billy club can separate you, even in the land of the formerly free and formerly brave. You’re just as enslaved in America as in Germany in the 1930s, but your masters want more milk out of you, so they’ll give you slightly more leeway… We’re brave enough to bomb Pakistani kids from a mile in the sky with a remote-controlled robot, but not brave enough to let our teenage children pursue love…

      Two of the most awesome things you can read, free on the net: Google Fully Informed Jury Association.
      and
      “Why I Am Not A Conservative” by F. A. Hayek.

      The jury has the right to acquit based on their consciences. This was ultimately how the Fugitive Slave Act was defeated in the North, and how prohibition was defeated.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What happened to the
      free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate punishing cowards,
      so proud that they will cave in to the slightest pressure from the
      prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Again: Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn
      about jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and
      your right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you
      off and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So if you’re called, shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks that America has lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is better than none.

  • Carolyn Smith

    She had sex with a minor. She needs to be prosecuted. Period. Gays and lesbos want equality. Well here it is baby!

  • me mine

    there are thousands of guys out there who were 18 dating a 16 or 17 yr old and the girls parents ruined their life for it. NOW it’s horrible because it’s a same sex relationship? that’s garbage.

    • Jake Witmer

      No it is horrible when the puritanistic police state does this to anyone. That’s why we all need to unite against the police state, and not let them turn us against one another like idiot slaves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jimmie-Meehan/100001423162344 Jimmie Meehan

    yea so we refuse to hold accountable to the LAW the highest law official or anyone in government so we will by god hold these little girls accountable to the LAW

    • Jake Witmer

      NO KIDDING!

      Stay away from our kid! We hate your love!

      Oh, you want to go bomb kids in Pakistan with drones and rockets? That’s OK. Why didn’t you say so?

      It
      would be the same if she were a confused young man, full of
      testosterone. America has a hard-on for hate, and no time for love, and
      no brains for law. No wonder the land of the free has the fullest
      prisons in the world!

      Add the government youth propaganda camps
      to all of that, and it’s no wonder nobody knows what their rights are as
      members of the Jury.

      Lesson to those in love: the officer’s billy club can separate you,
      even in the land of the formerly free and formerly brave. You’re just
      as enslaved in America as in Germany in the 1930s, but your masters want
      more milk out of you, so they’ll give you slightly more leeway…
      We’re brave enough to bomb Pakistani kids from a mile in the sky with a
      remote-controlled robot, but not brave enough to let our teenage
      children pursue love…

      Two of the most awesome things you can read, free on the net: Google Fully Informed Jury Association.
      and
      “Why I Am Not A Conservative” by F. A. Hayek.

      The
      jury has the right to acquit based on their consciences. This was
      ultimately how the Fugitive Slave Act was defeated in the North, and how
      prohibition was defeated.

      America, puritan prohibitionist police state. How sad. What happened to the
      free and the brave? Replaced by all these illiterate punishing cowards,
      so proud that they will cave in to the slightest pressure from the
      prosecutor, tripping over each other to see who can
      suck the judge’s “tough on crime” cock the fastest.

      That others were victims of prosecutorial injustice doesn’t make this
      injustice right. That’s the reason we all need to know our rights as
      jury members. Again: Google “Fully Informed Jury Association” to learn
      about jury nullification of law. It’s your right to get seated, and
      your right to acquit, but the judge and prosecutor will try to kick you
      off and replace you with a rubber stamp if you indicate your intelligence.

      So
      if you’re called, shut up, get seated, and then acquit. Yes, it sucks
      that America has lost half of its right to jury trial, but half is
      better than none.

  • WhatMeWorry

    My opinion, which is worth exactly nothing like everyone else’s opinion, is that high school classmates dating each other is as common as spit and isn’t worth the paper the court charges were written on. If Ms. Hunt was a graduate and out of high school then that might be another matter, but she wasn’t so the court should look reality in the face and withdraw the charges. It’s the right thing to do for both of these high school kids.

  • Jim Trent

    The fact of the matter is they have laws and they have it spelled out which age groups are ok. It doesn’t say but if they are 18 for only a few weeks treat them as 17. Just like other laws if you are 17 you get one trial and 18 you get another. You want to change the laws have at it. Until then the law says that she broke the statutory rape law. I don’t see anyone getting bent out of shape when an 18 year old guy is arrested for having sex with his 14-15 year old girlfriend. If anything he’s called a perv, locked up and then has to register on a sex offender list for the rest of his life. If this woman is given a pass then they need to go back and let every man who fits the same category out of prison, expunge his record and give them a nice chunk of change for the problems they had to go thru.
    The blame is all on the 18 year old. It doesn’t matter if the underage minor initiated the whole thing or not. We have heard that story many times from guys and it doesn’t sway the law. Why is anyone siding with the woman? 1)Was she under the law considered an adult? Yes 2)Was the other girl under the law considered a minor? Yes 3)Under the law did the woman break the law by statutory rape? Yes. 4)Is there anything in the law that say you get a pass if you are 18 for only a few months? No 5)Can the parents legally file charges or ignore the whole thing? Yes 6)Let’s say a 18 year old (by a few months) breaks into your house robs you blind and beats you to a pulp, are you going to say hey it’s ok they are only an adult for a few months so don’t arrest them as an adult, arrest them as a minor and then let them go cause they are too old for Juvie.
    The thing is people are trying to make this about something that it’s not. You start allowing exceptions then where does it end? Hey the 18 and 14 got away with it so let’s push the envelope and 19 and 14 etc. People need to stop whining about it gay bashing. They want equal rights they have to take the good with the bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michaela.daniels93 Michaela Daniels

    this is not a gay issue. this is an adult having sex with a minor. that’s it. end of argument. enjoy orange jumpsuits!

  • politicaljules

    The real travesty? A sexually active 14 year old. Our society, our leaders, and our school officials have no problems with 14 year olds having sex. Even the gay community should have a problem with that. If they dont then there will always be tension with their perceived agenda.

    • Jake Witmer

      Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
      –H.L. Mencken

  • creeper

    The girl was not fifteen. She was fourteen. Hunt was eighteen. That’s statutory rape if they were male/female.

    Several members of my family are gay. They are appalled by Hunt’s actions. You should be, too.

  • creeper

    P.S. Lying in your headline makes everything else you wrote questionable, if not downright invalid.

  • SLURRPY

    EAT THAT TEENAGE PUSSY!!!

  • Jake_Witmer

    This girl didn’t do anything wrong, you contemptible conformist Nazis! Since when is Puritanism the official state religion? Oh, yeah, from the very beginning to the present. Disgusting what primates do to the opportunity to live in a free country! They’ve banned sex, drugs, and rock and roll, and now, they’re coming for our freedom of political speech with “campaign finance reform.” (No doubt, Orwell’s pigs and sheep will have more to say than the mules, in that scenario…) Still worse, they want to take away our very right to defend ourselves, and the IL legislature just voted to treat 2nd Amendment rights as a privilege that you have to pay $300 for, and be subject to mental health examination with the state legislature and their government thugs as the psychologists.

  • Jake_Witmer

    Look at all these good (for nothing) “Americans” saying “the law is the law.” yeah, you spineless cowards, and juries used to mean that 99% of all laws the boobs in the legislature made were totally unenforceable. But not since y’all got TV and stopped educating your kids. Now your kids are stupid video-game and TV drones who have no concept of individual rights, or their power under the law. When a good kid gets made by accident, his dim-witted mind is no match for the prosecutor and judge, who send him home, so he can be replaced with a slobbering idiot who will drop the hammer on their fellow man.

    You nation of pathetic, slobbering fools. You pawns of sociopath prosecutors. You intellectual zeros.

    “Mistrust all in whom the urge to punish is strong.” –Look it up, dummy.

  • chiefsosa

    Wait, but I thought the consensus was that because she is a girl, she is given a “pass” as most usually are in situations like these.

  • chiefsosa

    They are using the “gay” argument to mask their feminist views. If it was a boy who did this, he would tried and convicted without any controversy or debate.

  • Jake_Witmer

    All these brave Americans want to punish a young girl for her early sexual discoveries! Used to be, Americans might come to the aid of someone who had fallen prey to the moronic lawmaking sociopaths. Used to be, Americans were a nation of sex, drugs, rock and roll. …The things Doug Casey says comprise a “Class Two Party.”

    Now, the rudiments of even a “Class One Party” are regulated by an entire government agency (the ATF), and mentions of the “Class Two” subjects only call attention to how fast you’re running on the Federal Reserve Plantation’s “magical taxpayer-powered perpetual motion machine.” America, you were beautiful, but you’re getting long in the tooth now.

    The sociopaths who know how to get elected (by appealing to the largest group of voters: the conformist idiots) just couldn’t let it last. I guess that’s asking too much in the days of universal, compulsory, tax-financed “education” (indoctrination) for all. So cast the first stone, you grotesque drooling hipster Eloi —Your Morlock masters have big plans for you.

    Do you “feel like breakfast”? …Breakfast of champions!

    What this country needs is a good “Denazification.”

    • David

      Put down the HG Wells & Vonnegut books and address the fact that you have an 18-year old adult having sex with a 14-year old child. Gender doesn’t matter. This is rape.

    • Jake Witmer

      Just because I’ve read and fully comprehended and remembered two books doesn’t mean those are the only two books I’ve read. I know this might be difficult for a mouth-breather like you to comprehend, though, so please refer above to the legal reasons I’ve stated as to why this is not a crime, nor should it be considered one, or prosecuted as one.

    • David

      So best you can do to defend your position is to use an ad hominem attack?? This child molesting pervert was arrested and charged with a felony. It doesn’t matter if the rapist is a 47 year old man or an 18 year old woman. A perv is a perv is a perv.

  • Jake Witmer

    Turn that love into hate, America! You’re an expert at that! (All you need to do is lay back and watch the sociopaths run wild! The Jury? What’s that? …It’s just the branch of government you’re a member of. No need to get up from the easy chair! Just wait for them to lower the metal helmet down, and tighten up the arm straps.)

  • Kress

    Where did the battery on a child charge come from?

  • jesse

    this is completely stupid. My husband and I have been married for 7yrs and have 4 children together. We married when I was 17yr and he was 29yr. He also had been in the military for 12yrs then and now has been a marine for 19yrs!

    • David

      Big deal. You can legally get married at that age in any state.

      Now would YOU allow your 14-year old daughter to have sex with an 18-year old boy and call people who have a problem with this stupid?

  • Cousin Bobby

    Put this lesbian perv in joint.

    • Jake Witmer

      Mistrust all in whom the urge to punish is strong. -Goethe

  • David

    The 18-year-old rapist had sex with a 14 year old. It doesn’t matter if she is 15 years old today.

    This is rhetorical, but if the year was 2017 would the headlines read that a 22 year old had sex with an 18 year old?

  • lancelot

    What AMAZES me about this is how much they are TRYING to make this about being GAY! This a defense strategy I know, but really, do we need to call it anti-gay?
    The younger girl was 14 when they were first dating AND more then likely having sex of some version. 14 year old’s can not consent to sexual activities according to the law! Perhaps you can argue why the law should change, but the law currently say’s that under 16 can not legally consent to sex, period! The 17, NOW 18 year old should have never looked that far below her age in the first place. To me, that was being her own little predator. Targeting girls that are still figuring out their own sexuality. I am sure she seen the younger girl as easier to manipulate then a girl closer to her own age.
    I have NO sympathy for EITHER of them! I think BOTH need to have counseling and BOTH need to deal with the crimes they both committed. NO ONE is above the law!

  • Professional

    This makes me sad for both young ladies. I am not pro-gay lifestyle, but, like any other teenage relationship, kids can become close, fall in love (whatever that means for them), and explore their sexuality. They are young yet think they know it all and know what is best for themselves (even if they are wrong); they are eager to exercise their autonomy. They are not thinking about numbers (legal vs.non-legal ages) or laws. They are thinking about their relationships, their moment, etc. This young lady clearly is not a predator. She wasn’t going out on the prowl looking for a victim, and herein lies the difference. This assumed felon/young lady is probably embarrassed beyond embarrassed because everyone knows about her situation and private life. She will never get over this. It will affect her life and psyche permanently. If convicted, she will be ostracized. She will have to notify every neighbor she ever has, and she will have one heck of a time ever having a job. For what? Being a teenager.

    What makes me sad is that the other child’s parents are really working hard to blame someone else for what is happening with their child, for what she participated in. Do we live in a world where it is always everyone else’s fault and never our own? Increasingly so. I really hope the parents of this child can sleep at night and are happy with themselves for pawning off a situation onto a young teenage girl whose life will forever be damaged and potentially ruined. Message to those parents: Deal with your own child, your own child’s responsibilities, and your own child’s choices. See a counselor and find out why this has to be about someone else–not you and your child.

    Disturbing all the way around.

  • localguy000

    This girl IS a CHILD MOLESTOR and DESERVES prison time……..PERVERT

  • Vegas Guy

    When the law is wrong, it needs to be changed. But with the sexual antics of our elected officials that may not happen for a long time.

    • Jake Witmer

      Laws can also be changed by nullification, as they were when Jury nullification forced the repeal of prohibition.

  • redoregonian

    The law is the law. 18 years is the age of consent and it should be enforced…period. Young men go to prison for being 18 and having relationships with girls 14-17, why shouldn’t this young lady? The law should be enforced regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

    • Insanitea

      Maybe none of them should be going to prison.

  • colorado kool aid

    this happens to guys all the time . . .

    • Jake Witmer

      Yes, sadly, injustice is common in the USA.

      Neither young men nor young women should be subject to these bad
      laws. No victim, no crime. Hold yourself to a high moral standard,
      nevermind what the conformists are doing. There are too many prisons,
      and too many people in them for no good reason, in the USA.

  • Redskins

    Good. Charge her with all of them before a 12 year old is next.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t both of them get gang banged by a group of guys to see if they’re really gay?

  • Anonymous

    Why is everyone worried about these slutty whores?

    • Jake Witmer

      If you were around in Nazi Germany, you might have said: “Why is everyone worried about these stupid Jews?” If you were around in the Antebellum South, you might have said “Why is everyone worried about these stupid slaves?”

  • Anonymous

    Just let them fuck its their purpose !

  • Anonymous

    They’re happy! They’re not making any extra kids. What’s the problem let gay people alone they help with the population problem.

  • Anonymous

    We should be actively supporting gay sex as a healthy alternative to straight sex to reduce the population.

  • Rick

    This is a back door attempt by gays for Americans to start accepting pedophilia. Soon you will see men with young boys holding hands and walking about in malls.

    • Jake Witmer

      If they’re gay, then who cares? What business is it of yours. It concerns you as much as the mating rituals of sea slugs. Each to their own.

  • ErikEssig

    The victim was 14 not 15 when the 18 year-old gave her the finger in a toilet stall according to the police report.

  • Simon Sez

    You can’t have it both ways. You can’t be 18 and considered a minor and if you’re a female, you face the same consequences as a 18 year-old male in a relationship with a 15 year-old male.

  • Sam

    When I was in High School (18yrs old) I dated my girlfried who at the time was 15yrs old. 11 years later and we are still together. I can’t imagine what these two girls are going through but it does not seem justified since it was consensual and they are only 3 years apart.

  • Hatterasman

    Sorry. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, or vice versa. Why should the law be any different for gay teen girls than it is for males? A male in the same situation today will be sent to prison in a heartbeat. This would not have raised an eyebrow in the 60s and 70s, however, we now live in a world of intolerance and the intolerance has to be equally distributed among citizens.

  • LogicalPosition

    Fair is Fair! She’s a criminal, as a male would have been charged.

  • Equality4all

    I am one of the largest equality advocates you will meet. This has nothing to do with her being gay and everything to do with her being an adult and her girlfriend being a minor. The same thing has been happening to men in straight relationships for countless years. Welcome to equality.

    • jbaz1

      The issue is 1 day and 1+ years before her 18th birthday it was ok thats what is at issue

  • annoyed

    stupid police and gov at it again x.x
    grow the hell up !!!!!!!!!
    there was nothing wrong with these 2 girls being together the damn age thing is STUPID and i for one am sick of it .. i was 19 when i met the guy i loved who at the time was 15 and sadly due to STUPID DAMN LAWS i couldnt be with him .the laws need to go away on cases like this age is close get over yourselves and shut the hell up!!!

  • BobE

    you said it best “After all, statutory rape laws were intended to protect children from sexual contact with adults, not with other children.” The Perpetrator of the crime is an adult as of her 18th birthday….Sorry to get get all stuck on facts but the other girl in question has crazy parents that seem to think they have, like…um…some kind of right to protect their daughter from her own self-destructive behavior as well as protecting her from others that want to use her body for their own sexual gratification….Imagine the audacity of such thinking…hope this seems fair to you. If not I’ll settle for the proper word…Just.

    Read more: http://www.thegloss.com/2013/05/20/culture/kaitlyn-hunt-teen-same-sex-statutory-rape-case/#ixzz2VcWCGu4c

  • PoliticallyCorrectionalOfficer

    When two women date which one fakes the orgasm…?

    • Jake Witmer

      They’re dating each other so they don’t have to fake it. …LOL

  • Fusioneer

    This is a matter of fornication that is driven by emotions and passions and feelings and super over inflated egos of young girls. Where does society step in and put boundaries upon such ultimately destructive and emotionally crippling relationships? Parents are the guardians of not only the chastity of their daughter but also of her emotional and psychological development. The laws are designed to give support to the parents who are responsible for their child’s development into an emotionally healthy adult. Obviously, the older girl’s parents failed her and now because of her selfishness, not her actual love for the younger girl, she has invaded and perverted the ideal pathway into an emotionally and morally upright adulthood that the younger girl’s parents were trying to establish for their daughter. The perverse and inordinately overreaching power of the perverse homosexual, lesbian and transsexual elements of our society have destroyed the opportunity for this younger girl to develop into an emotionally and psychologically healthy young woman. The parents have every right to see justice done in this case. Don’t ever make the foolish mistake of thinking that the Romeo and Juliet story has anything at all to do with love; it is about overinflated egos and moral rebellion with the ultimately destructive results. Young girls are so emotionally vulnerable and absolutely need the protection of their parents and the legal system yet they suppose their own selves to be much wiser and more insightful than their parents or those who established such protective laws for younger persons who in this perverse world are struggling against great odds to raise their children so that the children have a love of righteousness and holiness; something this perverted intervening older girl forever snatched away from the younger. Indeed, you liberals cry out for equity … now taste the equity of society punishing the older girl for destroying the psychological health and developing moral integrity of the younger girl just as you would do the same without any second thoughts to an older boy who has an inappropriate relationship with a younger girl.

  • dfsheehy58@aol.com

    Wa Wa Wa! The homysexuals are commin outa da woodwork… Stop yer whining crybabies. They been around since the dawn o time. Aint no more of em today than there were back then. Sheeeeese! Kicked our asses didn’t they. And, they’re less than one percent of the population…Go figure!

  • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.redbrook Caroline Redbrook

    Why does Miss Hunt deserve preferential treatment because she is gay? If she were male the law would be applied equally as well as has been in Florida and in other states. She broke the law. She is guilty and should face the same consequences as if she were a male. The law should be applied equally. Kudos to the FL DA for sticking up to this onslaught from a minority that is seeking preferential treatment rather than wanting to adhere to the law.

    • Jake Witmer

      Redbrook? More like redneck. Thanks for contributing nothing but mindless worship of the police state to this conversation.

  • bshack

    I think the whole anti-gay buzz with this article is stemming from the parents themselves. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the law would allow the relationship legally if the parents consented. I think the buzz comes from the argument that the parents are choosing to not consent to the relationship because it involves to members of the same sex. It can be argued that these parents are choosing to ruin this girls life because of their anti-gay sentiments. Any other opinions on the subject?

    • Jake Witmer

      I think you’re right. Remember, if you get called for jury duty, answer the unconstitutional “voir dire” questions like a conformist moron would, and get seated. Then, noone can undo your “not guilty” verdict.

  • americanveteran

    hahahahha, i am happy the prosecuter is treating the childmolesting 18y/o like a male 18y/o.. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY PRISON TIME!!!

  • americanveteran

    WONDERING HOW OLD DEMOCRAT CLINTON WAS WHEN HE WAS GETTING HIS ROOT SMOKED BY A 20 Y/O INTERN?

    • MasterOfSparks

      It doesn’t matter. She was TWENTY and it was consensual. What part of that don’t you understand?

    • americanveteran

      HE LIED UNDER OATH, HE COMMITTED PERJURY, WHAT PART OF THAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND????

    • MasterOfSparks

      The part where Any American Veteran would support the GOP. Maybe you weren’t aware that Nixon committed TREASON by undermining negotiations with the Viet Cong (that extended the war by years resulting in more dead US soldiers) to gain politically over LBJ. Maybe you didn’t realize that Reagan did the same thing with US hostages in Iran. Then of course there’s Duh-bya ignoring more than 50 warnings re 9/11 and starting a totally unnecessary war in Iran to the tune of THREE TRILLION DOLLARS. So what with you being too stupid to understand any of that I guess it should come as no surprise that Clinton “lying under oath” is a trumped up pile of shit. The questions should NEVER have been asked in the first place. Since it was Clinton’s mistake was not telling them to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. He is HARDLY the first President to get a little action on the side. Thomas Jefferson sired children with a black SLAVE. Republicans are just upset because they haven’t been able to win a legitimate Presidential election (without committing TREASON) since Eisenhower. In fact the only reason the GOP retained the House in the last election was because of gerrymandering. GOP in Congress currently hold a 28% approval rating with 62% Disapproving and 10% who don’t have a clue what’s going on. Of course the 28% is made up of ignorant fucks like yourself who should all set out to win themselves a “Darwin Award” ASAP since each and every one of you is a waste of oxygen. Fucking idiot!

    • Jake Witmer

      Fuck the oath, and fuck perjury. Those are two stupid requirements used for a modern version of entrapment, a prosecutorial “gotcha game.” And I also don’t care if he lied to cover up an affair: the law has no right to require his honesty in his private affairs.

      I’m more concerned over his administration’s apparent murder of Vince Foster and suppression of the evidence in the OK bombing case.

  • Jenn Nicole Hunt

    personally I think the “victim’s” parents should get in trouble for waiting so long to report it. They allowed it to happen up until she turned 18. You can’t just overlook that.

  • Randy

    !8 year old and a 15 year old, do not equal 2 consenting adults. Regardless what the homo’s proclaim…..

  • Randy

    The moral thing is. No sex outside of marriage between one man and one woman.

    • MasterOfSparks

      Who made your dumb ass the decider of what the moral thing is?

  • Will

    “gays” will look for any issue to bring up “anti-gay” arguments….

  • Jessicabby

    But at 10 you can now buy over the counter pill to stop a pregnancy where is the logic?

    • MasterOfSparks

      So what you’re saying is that you WANT 10 year old girls who get pregnant to stay that way. Even if they are only 1 day pregnant.

  • AJ

    Here we go again. We jail males for exactly the same thing, don’t think twice about it,and everybody understands it. You are not allowed to plead “love” as an excuse for statutory rape. Unless of course you are a female. If a male teacher rapes a female student, we look for the nearest oak tree to hang him. If a female teacher rapes a male student, ” he got lucky”. The gay community is reacting to this in an unbelievably stupid and irresponsible way. Do they really support gay rape? This simple rule apples to EVERBODY: Find an age appropriate partner of your choice. Male female, whatever pleases you, it should be your business only, but of legal age. Simple as that.

  • Steve O’Leary

    Romeo and Juliet laws, I suppose Juliet and Juliet is the same

  • dt

    18 year old boys go to prison all the time on charges like this. Teen women who have sex with underage boys go to prison. There is no anti-gay bias. Statutory rape is statutory rape regardless of the sex of the “perp” or the “victim”. T

  • faze

    America is a backwater, filled with ignorant laws that cause absurd penalties like this woman will probably receive. The younger woman’s parent’s are IGNORANT! Nobody “turns” gay. Who are these Neanderthals?!?

    Just look at some of the comments on this thread – for example, someone named “localguy000″ calling the girls “perverts”. Does that commenter have an IQ in 3 digits? More BIble Belt sickness, ignorance, intolerance, and just plain stupidity. Darwin’s Law is going to take care of people who believe what “localguy000″ says. Can you even imagine what would happen if his daughter or a close relative or friend turned out to be gay?

    I think that child abuse and rape are abominable, but common sense has to enter the picture when young people engage in *consensual* sex. Scarring this young woman for life – or even a young man – for something like this is not “justice” – it’s ignorance!

    • Jake Witmer

      I completely agree with you. Always remember: if you’re called for jury duty, answer the “voir dire” selection questions like the other conformist morons, get seated, and then nullify the law if it’s a bad law like this one. Noone can make you say “guilty.”

  • faze

    Who are the Neanderthal parents of that young girl? Nobody “turns” gay? These people are ignorant as sin! It’s consensual sex between two teenagers! Big deal!

  • peabuddi

    The law itself is questionable when it comes to high school relationships and was never intended to be used the way it is now. That said, it’s fair in this case because many young men, who are not criminals are in prison for dating girls under 18, I know one personally, he is not bad kid, just not too bright when it came this type of behavior. He really is not guilty of any “crime” as the reasonable person would define it, just poor judgement. The price he is paying is far, far too weighty. The law should apply across the board as long as it is a law. So yes, she is subject to the law just like young men. You can’t have it both ways.

    • Jake Witmer

      “So yes, she is subject to the law just like young men. You can’t have it both ways.”

      Neither young men nor young women should be subject to these bad laws. No victim, no crime. Hold yourself to a high moral standard, nevermind what the conformists are doing. There are too many prisons, and too many people in them for no good reason, in the USA.

  • Joe Straight

    Would that not be the Juliet and Juliet law?

  • Omegaman

    It’s simple. If they would throw an 18 year old boy in jail for it, they can and should throw an 18 year old girl in jail for it. Equality cuts both ways, and that’s something every community needs to deal with–true equality means you don’t get special consideration for being a member of an interest group.

  • The Truth Hurts

    And so the story is reported as if done by a pro-homosexual child rapist. So who cares if their homosexuals, as being one does not excuse you from the law. In fact this story contributes to the belief of some that allowing homosexuality to be legal subjects our children to open, child molesting. She is an adult knowingly having sex with a child. When you put in terms like “apparent role anti-gay bias” and “lack of leniency” it shows only support for child rape by homosexuals. The parents have every obligation to protect their child from such crimes and should not be punished by the homosexuals in the media that want to transparently and obviously rape their children.

  • Randy

    had a good friend who had a 14 year old daughter ..who was dating a 18 year old guy .. He threw a fit about it when he found out they were having sex ..and had the guy arrested ..the next day the young girl killed herself ..two weeks later my friend killed his self

    • Jake Witmer

      You’re 100% right. Thanks for this heartbreaking story! This shows why power-seeking sociopaths known as judges and prosecutors shouldn’t be allowed to use mala prohibita to insert themselves into people’s private lives. Know your rights and powers as a member of the jury, so you’re never bent to the will of the unjust.

  • Joe

    Lawyers keep changing the laws in order to make money prosecuting people doing the same thing 50 years ago.

  • TimothyMacAren

    “…the girl was under age and legally not able to consent to sex” all right, I got it.

    But if an “under age” girl yells and aims her finger to any “4 years older” saying that she was “sexually abused”, the adult goes to jail no questions asked, even if he or she did not abuse the girl, or even when the “under age” girl started the abuse.

    I see a deep and confusing contradiction here. The Justice System needs refinement.

    • Jake Witmer

      How right you are! Read the book “Jury Nullification: The Evolution of a Doctrine” for how power-made judges and prosecutors stripped the jury of their randomness and of their power over the past 160 years.

  • Robert of Hurst

    Democrats won’t let anything happen to this girl…she is gay.

  • car

    There are so much sex exposure to the children in this country I don’t care if is boy with boy, girl with girl or boy and girl.

  • joey

    Its a stupid law period, not just for this case, but for all the countless youths lives that these laws ruined. Especially when were talking about making these kids felons and sex-offenders aka armed robbers and brutal rapist. When you get these titles they don’t specify what you did. You are a felon and a sex offender the rest of your life. Some people develop quicker or slower than others. Especially men and women. Even 17 and 15 would be rape. Are you kidding me? Don’t they say women develop 2 or 3 years quicker anyway? I think think the 3 year range is ok starting at age 14, which is generally high school age. I can say in my HS the sophomore and junior girls were just as quick if not quicker than senior boys and we couldnt get most of the senior girls because they had college boyfriends. If the 3 years of age difference is so bad they should put them in separate schools and maybe the world will be a better place. The people that care so much about the issue of young kids sleeping with each other they should go after pop culture, television, music, parenting, etc. Our society pushes hypersexuality and the over sexing of everything. Don’t blame the youth. they are a product of what we give them. The laws should be meant to keep predators and pedophiles away not slightly older school mates.

    • Jake Witmer

      Absolutely! I totally agree!

  • Curmudgeon10

    I think kids should be free to have sex with other kids beginning at age 1. After all, what could go wrong?

    What an absolutely ridiculous column.

  • Carl Mayo

    what if the other girl was 14? or 13? or 10?
    where do you draw the line?

    the truth is, there are people out there who want NO LINE to be drawn.
    that’s why the law sets an age restriction at 18 — because without limits, there will always be people who push the boundaries to the absurd.

  • Rainbow girl

    If the parents are homophobic its their right to feel however they want. The door swings both ways no pun intended! The law is just and it applies to men and women who break it, just because she’s a girl she should no better especially being 18. If it were a boy he would already be in jail. Sorry, its a hard lesson to learn.

  • wygent

    Hey, you do the crime, you do the time. There’s nothing unfair about this. I spent 20 years in law-enforcement and it is VERY common for 18 year old males to do serious jail time and be placed on the sex-offender registry permanently for EXACTLY this behavior. A fourteen-year-old of either gender is not capable of making appropriate decisions about sexual behavior – that is our societal determination – they may voluntarily engage in sex, but they cannot give their consent legally and an 18 year old IS and adult and is expected to behave ethically – which means not taking advantage of those younger than you in order to satisfy your sexual desires. Kaitlyn has no reason to complain. She made the decision and she is now going to be forced to live with the consequences.

  • Attorney

    18 year olds are adults under the law. It is illegal for adults to have sex with 14 year old children. As is often requested by the LGBT community, Kaitlyn should expect equal treatment under the law. She is a sexual predator and used a 14 year old, who is not old enough to consent.

  • john

    This is bull crap! It is not about law as some state on here! This is a sex backwards country! You get more time for having sex with someone that you do murder. You can research that if you don’t want to take my word for it. Most countries at 16 you are of legal age for sex with whom you wish to have sex with. If it is consensual to both parties what makes the difference the age. This isn’t the 20′s anymore where kids had no idea about sex, the 7 year olds today can tell you more than what most people in their 40′s know. Wake up and fix things. Kids are kids and don’t need records for life for the feelings they have for others, period!

    • Jake Witmer

      Absolutely!

  • danny

    I’m a police officer and have locked up young men for this very offense. Most recently a 17 yr old male who had sex with a 15 yr old – so dont play your gay garbage violin here – you do the crime, you do the time. I see this quickly building into a case of “well, she’s a female first of all, and second, it was same sex, so no foul”. Thats bullshit if you ask me. 18 yr olds cannot have sex with 15 yr olds, and there is a damn good reason for it.

  • law-equality

    Simple, just be fair. Apply the law to the girls the same way the law is applied to the boys.

  • Me

    Stop dating KIDS and focus on school.

  • der33

    Seems to me the parents of the young girl have the clear right to forbid her sexual relationship with the older girl.

    However, two teen age schoolmates did develop a relationship. It may be proper to blame the older. . .let’s even have a court order that she may not meet with the younger. . . but charging and attempting to convict her of a felony and serve jail time. . . seems a very harsh and unfair way to deal with what may be nothing more than teens exploring sex. . .

    btw. . . I would feel the same way if it were a heterosexual relationship and a young boy being charged. . .It’s not what we want to happen. . . but teens having consensual sex doesn’t seem to qualify as criminal felony activity.

    • Jake Witmer

      Thanks for not being a vindictive prick, and for holding American values!

  • Harold

    An 18 year old is not a child!

  • Javier

    YUP! Since now it’s about a young white female the law makes no sense and we should change it! I have friends that went to jail because of this law. I have a current friend that did 4 yrs. and when he was released married his girlfriend and she was pregnant when he went to jail! So if the law is changed should we appeal all the convictions of those wrongfully accused? Lock her up! Sorry but it’s the law and she knew it and continued to have sex with that girl! Sorry you do the crime now you must do the time!

  • Mydamnself

    I’m sorry but the law is the law. How would you feel if it was a boy and girl? I’m tired of hearing about people wanting equality for gays but then complain about unfairness when the table is turned.

  • The Seige is On

    The Laow is the Laow, no matter. She knew the consequences and now wants special treatment post-facto. Level the field, keep it level and everyone pay attention to the rule book..it applies to you too!

  • Joshua Cyrus

    bottom line here is that if it was an 18 year old guy and 15 year old girl their would not be this much of an outcry, equality doesnt mean special treatment. they are screaming its wrong on the basis of sexuality, but the law is the law. its stupid to sit here and say in anyway she is justified. it drives me crazy the double standard.

    • Jake Witmer

      Good thing for you William Penn and John Peter Zenger’s jurors didn’t say “the law is the law” or you’d have grown up in a totalitarian society like Iran. So sad you’re trying to turn the USA into such a place.

    • Joshua Cyrus

      Are you that uneducated?? both those cases were years before the constitution was written, so check facts before you spout them. that was british courts and not US so by your logic you’re trying to turn us back into Britain. all I’m trying.to do is have it equal for all sides.

  • analyst33

    Well, we’ve all done stupid things as teenagers. When I was in high school, the freshman girls always had a sophomore boyfriend, sophomores had juniors, and so on. This stuff has always gone on and always wil. There was a time when this matter was handled between the parents as in “tell him to say away from my daughter or I’ll shoot him”. Now the states have made normal adolescent experiences a felony with possible penitentiary time and that is just not right. If there was no force or coercion and they were seeing each other consensually, then drop the charges and send them to sexual development counseling courses to teach boundaries, red flags, thinking errors, etc. but for God sake don’t send the poor girl to the pen. Here in Texas if you took every teenager that was having sex with his younger girlfriend (or boyfriend) you’d have 98 percent of the state in jail. If I were on her jury, I’d acquit this girl.

    • Jake Witmer

      Analyst, you’re a hero! Thanks for representing enlightened values!

  • gson97

    The parents should be grateful – at least their daughter won’t get pregnant!!

    But seriously, this is nothing more than a case of angry, embarrassed, ingnorant, homophobic parents who need someone to blame for their daughter’s sexual orientation. They’re not just punishing Kaitlyn, they are punishing thier own child as well. If their child cares about Kaitlyn, has had intimacy with her, she must be devastated at what her parents are doing. It shows what they would/will/might do to her if she doesn’t try to go “straight.”

    I know it can be incredibly hurtful to know that your child is gay. To find out they aren’t what you hoped they would be. It hurts when your kids do things that are against every fiber of your being, but they are still your children. Until you stop, breathe, and then TALK to your child, you will always hold that anger and hate and it will eventually eat you alive.

    Going off on knee jerk reactions like this are bad on everyone. And, Kaitlyn, well, it’s going to be a very difficult life for her now. The whole story is simply sad.

    • fewiz

      Too bad you’re stupid and gullible.

      If all you know about this case is what you’ve read in this article, you know nothing. There is not one credible, unbiased statement of fact pertaining to the case in the entire article, except the rapist’s name. Everything else is the word of the rapist’s friends and family, as interpreted by this biased author.

      She doesn’t even attempt the slightest bit of fairness and objectivity. It’s all one-sided hysteria.

      Yet, you suck it up like pig in slop, and then vomit it back out as indisputable fact.

      Seriously, you should be embarrassed for yourself and ashamed of what you’ve said to us. But, I expect you’re not, because you know exactly what you’re doing. You’re a propagandist too.

    • gson97

      Well, you certainly are the picture of description aren’t you? Your rather pedestrian view of my comments tells me all I need to know about your attitude as well. You sir are more than likely a self-righteous bigot who thinks he is standing on some moral high ground that is far above any simple human flaws.

      And, you are correct, I am not in any way ashamed of anything I’ve said. The parents are (IMHO) exactly as I’ve stated, embarrassed and angry that they raised a homosexual child. Unfortunately, they would rather blame their own daughter’s “friend” (if you will, for lack of a more sutitable for a family friendly audience) for their child’s sexual orientation rather than look at their daughter as someone who simply “is” gay – period.

      Gay doesn’t just happen, and if you, in this day and age can’t accept and understand that, then I feel sorry for you. But don’t call me a propagandist when you sit there behind your keyboard throwing out euphemisms at me for my comments…. look inward, my friend, look inward. Maybe better you don’t – you won’t like what you see.

    • fewiz

      wrong, you silly twit. Go ahead, state all of your reasons for claiming that the parents are “exactly as you stated.”

      You have none that is credible. You can’t, because there is no credible evidence of that. All you got in this article are biased statements from people supporting the rapist.

      The fact that you can’t see that means you’re stupid. You would be laughed out of a courtroom with your stupid accusations.

      The fact that you won’t admit that when the truth of what I say is staring you in the face from the “exact” words in this article means you have no integrity — probably as a result of extremely low self esteem.

      You’re just a stupid jerk willing to make outrageous accusations slandering people without a shred of evidence just to support your gay agenda.

      The legal system doesn’t give a rat’s ass that the girl is gay. She is either guilty of statutory rape according to the legal definition of that crime in Florida or she’s not. Being lesbian has nothing to do with anything.

      As for you trying to claim that I can’t understand and accept that gayness just happens – that’s just more unsubstantiated slander that you can’t blame on the author’s article. Proof again that you’re just a stupid jerk. Nothing I’ve said implies that at all. I’ve only stated the basic legal issues involved and correctly noted that there is no credible evidence provided by this article – it’s all one-sided propaganda.

      Take your finger out of your ass and stick it up your nose – maybe you can pick some integrity.

  • Guest

    A 14-year old child is NOT mature enough to be able to legally consent to a relationship with a 17-year old. That is the bottom line. My judgement is against Kaitlyn Hunt, her mother, and all of her misguided supporters. This has nothing to do with everyone making mistakes. It is all about a mature person taking illegal, unfair advantage of an immature child to exploit that child for the benefit of the mature person’s purposes.

  • Alan Tuesky

    A 14-year-old is not at a sufficient level of maturity to be able to legally consent to any relationship. A 17-year-old who illegally and unfairly exploits a 14-year-old child for the purpose of gratifying the lusts of the older person is guilty of child sexual abuse. This has nothing to do with everyone making mistakes. This is about the campaign of someone with an inequitable advantage of sophistication to take advantage of an immature child. I judge against Kaitlyn Hunt, her mother, and all of her supporters. This would also apply to a ratio of 15 years to 18 years.

  • Rdsoxfan

    How can they have sex without a penis? Toss the case out

    • Jake Witmer

      LOL I’d like to see the look on the prosecutor’s face. Sadly, the case is more likely to get tossed for this reason than for the reason that it simply isn’t a crime, and there’s no cause of action. #idiocracy.

    • fewiz

      Stupid Joke, you just make one untrue statement after another.

      It simply is a crime. What’s simple is your mind. You think it doesn’t matter how Florida statutes define rape, only your opinion counts. Let me guess – you finger your ass while you type, right?

  • *pansexualgoth*

    i love how you guys are bashing this young girl not knowing the other female WILLINGLY liked her as well , they liked eachother yet because of a slight age difference and the fact being gay isnt a f*in social norm she deserves to have her whole life ruined by OBVIOUS bigoted parents ? serious yall need to tighten up this is a MAJOR overreaction . this girl can do years in prison just because of a relation ship within the boundaries of as some of you tards wana call social norm * F SOCIAL NORMS* deal with it , this country is getting diverse stfu and move on

    • fewiz

      What’s obvious is that you’ve accepted this propagandist author’s quotations from the rapist’s friends, family, and mother as the undisputed truth as to what actually happened and what the parent’s thoughts and motivations were.

      Do you understand that makes you a gullible idiot?

  • jake

    Not fishy at all. Boys with younger girls are charged frequently, especially if the parents of the girl want to push the issue.

  • Shawn Downey

    Our laws regarding teenage relationships is moronic. If you look in the movies, TV, and in real life teenagers are having relationships, is this a mystery? Why are we giving up our free will as parents to the government? Four-teen and Seven-teen, they’re both teens that went to the same school, and it’s a 3 year difference. No one was “stalked” or “preyed” upon, which is the definition of a “predator”. This area of US laws is by far the most repulsive and cruel. I’m just amazed that High School dances and holding hands isn’t outlawed yet…

    • fewiz

      Hint: quit letting the perverts in Hollywood define your view of the world. Now, go brush your teeth and I’ll read you a book before nighty night.

  • sscarzz

    She has to find someone 18 or over like herself…. Female child molester.

  • K

    Who even knows what the specific circumstances were. Maybe those parents are dead right. I happen to personally have grown up with a guy who was pressured into a same-sex physical relationship with another guy who wielded a LOT of influence over him when he was 15 and the other guy 18. You could say it was consensual because he wasn’t forced, but he was psychologically pressured by an older, intimidating “peer”, that’s what statutory is. And that guy identified as straight and ultimately continued to identify as straight but had issues over whether he should start living a gay lifestyle since he had “allowed” it to happen. If I had been his mother I would have been livid and you’re d*mn right I would have pressed charges.

  • Big Papa Puff

    I myself thing we have bigger issues in the United States then these two girls having sex. 1) People being homeless, 2) Feeding people who live here, 3) making jobs, 4) Educating the children, are all more important then these two having sex. Teens are going to have sex no matter what the law says or does not say. And ones sexual preference is their business not the laws. We started a war with England so we can be free so, lets keep the Government out of our beds and keep them from telling us what to do with our bodies! We do not belong to the Government we are free people!

  • Big Papa Puff

    Florida is the same state with Bush was in office attempted to give the death sentence to a boy for a accidental death of a playmate while using a wrestling move he saw on a WWE TV event. I think he was under 12. Most states say anyone under 12 can not understand a criminal act or be arrested for one. Arkansas is 1 of them says must be over 12 to be charged with a crime.

    • Jake Witmer

      You said it! Florida: State of elderly, vindictive, bible-thumping puritan pricks.

    • fewiz

      Pardon me, you’re distorting the truth. The truth is that the defendant CLAIMED that the wrestler inspired his act leading to the death. You’ll probably be surprised to learn that the prosecution had a different theory, but rational people aren’t. We understand that the media emphasizes the titillating aspects of court hearings to sell advertising, and that they omit critical facts as necessary to sell the titillation.

      I’m sorry that you seem unable to see through their manipulations. I swear, if you’ll just try to be more critical in your reading, and default to cynicism rather than to gullibility, like you do, it’ll all start making sense.

  • yoyo

    I’m still waiting on some idiot to say, “Age ain’t nothing but a number”. hahaha

    • Jake Witmer

      Wait no more, you said it.

  • THE TRUTH HURTS

    Hello, I know I came across this ad late but when I did, WOW! I don’t think anyone with half of the sense that everyone hopefully has at any stage in life would be ok with this. And we don’t understand as parents, and adults, why the World is going to be such a horrible place when our kids, or friend’s children become our age?? Yes once upon a time, kids NORMALLY got married at a young age which in turn meant having sex, these same people also died in their 40′s. Also at that time, it was ok to dislike other people just because of their skin color. Not only was this an accepted behaviour that was practiced daily but it was thought to be the right thing to do. Now that we have evolved, or I should say, SHOULD have evolved we now live a lot longer and should be a bit smarter. Let’s set aside the fact that the kids parents don’t like the fact that their 15 year old daughter (who probably changes friends like hairstyles) is having sex with a girl and focus on the roles being reversed. Would we be saying the same if this was a 18 year old boy???? We would be poor boy, oh he has such a bright future, just leave him alone, he did nothing wrong? And what if he got this girl preggos and she was on welfare, I know some very conservative people who would definitely disagree with that. As a mother of 6, 3 boys and 3 girls, I would have to say no. I don’t want a 18 year old with my 15 year old daughter. REGARDLESS of if she was a friend, lover or anything else. Boy or Girl, and the bigger question is why at the age of 18, do you want my 15 year old anyway????? Please people wake up, watch your kids, monitor their friends, be in their lives. Otherwise our youth is going to destroy us all and the only thing we will truly have to blame is our ourselves.

  • Chris Foltz

    This is Bizarro Land…anything goes except for calling a spade a spade & mohamad a pervert… :P

  • Wonder Ellie

    When I compare the actions of the parents to the actions of the girlfriend, I find the actions of the parents much more onerous and damaging to the child. I hate it when people brutalize their children and then say it is because they “love” them. I guess this is the Christian form of child love – kick them when they are down and kick them as hard as possible.

    Looks like they are setting her up for suicide.

    • fewiz

      Aaah, but you’re wrong. You’ve fallen for the author’s lies and distortion as she tries to propagandize for the LGBT political agenda.

      The fact is, the victim has to be supporting this prosecution. It’s not just the parents. No DA would take a case like this without the victim testifying that sex did occur. It’s not like the victim got pregnant, or that they swabbed her for DNA.

      Any other evidence I can think of – text messages, love notes, etc. – would be unlikely to sway a jury if the victim testifies that sex did not occur.

      It is only the author’s conjecture that the parent’s instigated all of this, and for the reasons she claims.

      Please, try to be more critical when you read BS online. People are lying to try to influence your perception of our society.

    • Jake Witmer

      “No DA would take a case like this without the victim testifying that sex did occur.”

      You’re living in fantasyland. DAs believe they can prosecute anything, now that “voir dire” allows them to stack the jury, and “motions in limine” allow them to silence dissenting arguments.

    • fewiz

      LOL, You watching old LA Law reruns? You sound stupid. “Now”?? that voir dire…motions in limine”" – nothing significant has changed about those legal concepts in the last 50 years. DAs – and defense attorneys – have the same ability to “stack” the jury as they’ve always had – and the defense has more, not the DA. Not sure about Fla., but in federal courts and some states, the defense gets more preemptory challenges during voir dire than the prosecution.

      Likewise, motions in limine do not give either side an advantage. Both can submit a motion and the judge rules.

      I will grant you that there are DAs with ambitions who will undertake hopeless prosecutions, but this hardly seems like that kind of case. A DA isn’t going to advance his career by taking on the gay agenda.

      Go ahead, describe a scenario where the victim will testify that there was no sex, but the DA would still prosecute.

      Really, you’re just a troll. Talking mean stupidity, like trolls do.

  • Max48

    If it’s illegal for 18 year old boys to have sexual relations with a 14 year old, then it must also be illegal for girls to do so. True meaning of equal rights and responsibilities for women.

  • bigspiker

    Gemma, Read the law carefully. The quoted law does not make it legal, it only prevents a person from being forced to register as a sex offender AFTER conviction if there is a small gap in age. 18 years old and 14 years old is a gap. It would be interesting to know if this jurisdiction also prosecutes same sex relationships with this age gap, and/or as felonies. If not, she has a strong equal protection argument case but that could take years for the courts to resolve…

    • fewiz

      The jurisdiction does prosecute fairly, without a doubt. The reality is that very few statutory rape cases are brought because they can’t be proven – it’s a “s/he said, s/he said” situation. Only when one party supports the prosecution can charges be brought.

      And that, is the great big ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM for this article. What the author is not mentioning is that the victim has to be supporting this prosecution as well. If she won’t testify that sex happened, there’s no way to prosecute. The DA would not file charges.

    • Jake Witmer

      “The jurisdiction does prosecute fairly, without a doubt.”
      The only reason you wouldn’t have a doubt, in the era of “voir dire” is that you’re a false-authority-trusting moron.

      “The reality is that very few statutory rape
      cases are brought because they can’t be proven”

      Few, but not none. Can’t you see what’s going on here? The parents, who have tons of ability to unjustly pressure the younger girl, are pressuring her to testify against her one-time friend. To break them up, in the service of hatred, against love.

      “- it’s a “s/he said, s/he
      said” situation. Only when one party supports the prosecution can
      charges be brought.”
      See prior.

      “And that, is the great big ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM for this article.
      What the author is not mentioning is that the victim has to be
      supporting this prosecution as well.”
      Or pressured into it by her parents. And that’s where the “one-size fits all” statute comes in, which throws the requirement of a “valid cause of action” out the window. That’s the reason why we have the mlargest, most crowded prison system in the world. And jerks like you support it.

      “If she won’t testify that sex happened, there’s no way to prosecute.”
      Let’s hope she doesn’t testify.

      “The DA would not file charges.”
      Yeah right. DAs will file charges against two crossed sticks with as much intelligence as a dove will lay an egg on them. And bird-brains
      like you will cheer them on.

    • fewiz

      Oh Joke, were you raped as a child? That would explain all of this foolishness from you. They say most child rapers were raped themselves as children. I assume there’s a chance their supporters like you were as well.

      There you go with that “era of voir dire” BS again, like voir dire is a new concept or has somehow changed in the last 50 years. And insinuating that it helps the prosecution when its original purpose and its practical application today is to make the system more fair for the defense. I mean, really, you’re just stupid. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

      “Don’t I see what’s happening here?” I do, you don’t. What’s happening here is that a gay media activist has written a piece of propaganda that makes no attempt at being fair. The only descriptions of the events that occurred and the motivations behind the victim’s, parents’, or rapist’s mutual acts are the words of the rapist’s friends, family, mother, and this biased author.

      Yet, you believe it all like it’s indisputable fact. Really, dude, you’re just stupid.

      This is what I hate about online forums – not the part about whooping butt on idiots like you, that’s fun – I hate that you and these readers won’t be around when everything I’ve said turns out exactly the way I predict so I can pound your ass some more.

      It’s really kind of irritating to know that you’ll just slink away from here like the cockroach you are and go spew stupidity somewhere else. There should be something like the Scarlet Letter for Internet trolls like you so that a few naive readers aren’t taken in by your BS.

  • Bonnie Graves

    Isn’t it something else how when lesbians/gays are arrested and treated the same as heterosexuals, it is considered “racist”, “harassment”, “anti-gay”, etc. etc.? The LGBT community wants the same treatment as heterosexual couples and when they get it they want to be treated differently and want special treatment! The girl deserves what she gets!

  • Alvin James Trail II

    I say the law is law as well..you don’t perform any sexual act on a child while being an adult yourself, I don’t care if there is a few years gap between the ages. You’re an adult. That’s just nasty!

    • Jake Witmer

      When the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 was passed, it required Northerners to inform on their neighbors if they suspected them of harboring fugitive slaves. A common defense of that law, promoted by judges, lawyers, police, and other moronic conformists, was “the law is the law!” …But that’s a circular argument, devoid of morality and logic, so let’s agree to be adults and not use it here, OK? Thanks.

      You see, when the law is stupid, brutal, and unjust, we all have the right, as jurors, to choose not to enforce it. This is known as “Jury Nullification of Law” and it’s been the center of pro-freedom thought in the USA since 1776.

    • fewiz

      What an empty bunch of nothing. Let me rephrase for our readers. Joke is saying: “I think that if you don’t agree with a law, you don’t have to obey it. Also, if you’re on a jury deciding a case, you don’t have to vote to enforce it.”

      And with that, the forum yawns and offers a collective “whatever.” What next, charts and graphs explaining how 1+1=2? Why do you think taking two paragraphs to make one inane statement means you’re smart? Why do I think that you’re typing with one hand and gazing into a mirror while you post this blather?

  • The E

    I think there is a big difference between 20 and 16 and 18 and 14, especially the fact they are in the same school. Just because the parents do not like it is no reason to ruin the older girls life. I understand the parents feelings, but to say the older girl turned the younger girl gay is ludicrous.

    • fewiz

      ???? Who was talking about 20 and 16 year olds? And what is the big difference you see? Don’t know Florida law, but if the age of consent is higher than 16, that’s a huge factor that ISN”T different – both victims would be minors, deemed by the law to be incapable due to lack of maturity to make decisions in their best interests.

      And WTF does it matter that they are in the same school. “I can rape you because we go to the same school”???

      And the is no evidence that the parents or anyone else claimed the older girl turned the younger girl gay, that’s just the pure conjecture of this article’s author. For all we know, the parents only object to the raping of their daughter and not to the identity of the rapist.

      Does The E stand for “empty”?

  • Seems Fair

    Lesbians should be able to have relationships with any other female regardless of their age. We should not be treated like men, that we find gross, as all of them should go to prison for having any relationships…we hate men!!
    Signed:
    All lesbians

    • fewiz

      Oh wait, we need them to protect us or all the mean men will assrape us like a ewe in heat.

  • craigmayberry

    You become an adult you are saddled with adult responsibilities and you become answerable in the adult world for your now adult actions. If you are an adult and you diddle an underage person you have committed rape in the eyes of the law. Gender of the rapist or the raped does not ameliorate the gravity of the offense. If it was my daughter being penetrated by an 18 year old boy I’d demand that he be charged. Makes no difference that the adult rapist is the same sex.

    • fewiz

      “I’d demand that he be charged” Yosemite Sam and I think you’re too nice. I’d demand that the rapist of my son or daughter be buried within pissrange of my jailcell window.

    • Jake Witmer

      Except that …it wasn’t rape, it was consensual. Now, I know that expecting the correct usage of English terms introduces a lot of confusion into any debate in America, but that’s simply the way it’s going to be.

    • fewiz

      Wow, Jake, you’re stupid. And after reading your other posts here, it occurs to me that you don’t realize it. So, let me repeat: you’re stupid.

      But, being the nice guy that I am, I’m going to try to educate you:

      This is about a concept called “mental incapacity”? Let’s start real simple – do you understand how it would not be considered “consensual” to have sex with someone who is comatose. No, it’s not because the comatose person won’t move his/her hips, it’s because s/he lacks the “mental capacity” to make the decision to have sex.

      OK now, baby steps for you: take that concept and apply it to an infant. Yes, the infant has a natural instinct to suck on a nipple, but that doesn’t mean that you can slip Little Jack in the baby’s mouth and call it “consensual.” Again, it’s not because you’re too manly for such a small mouth – on the contrary – it’s because the baby does not have the “mental capacity” to make the decision to suck your weewee.

      Do you got that? Because here comes the big step: society has defined at what age a person has the mental capacity to make such decisions. They’ve codified it into law. They’ve even granted exceptions for minors who are close in age.

      Do you see how that could work? If the child is under a certain age or if you are not close enough to his/her age, society has determined that it is a crime to have sex with the minor child.

      There isn’t any other wiggle room. Birthdates don’t change. A year is always a year. If you fit the definition, you are a rapist. It doesn’t matter that you’ve seduced the minor, the law says they do not have the “mental capacity” to make that decision.

      Hope this helps, but I doubt it. You don’t really seem like the type of person who deals in facts and reason.

  • Jeff

    If Kaitlyn was a male this article would be damning the person for rape, not trying to get the person off it.

    • fewiz

      Ditto if they were both males.

  • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

    Just stupid.

  • blah

    Hand me the rope. Hang her high!

  • blah

    And who gives a damn? How can a child know she is a lesbo? The parents didn’t do their job as parents.

    • fewiz

      I wouldn’t write the parents off. It’s hard enough keeping older guys off your girls, no one ever expects an older girl to be the predator. They found out and are doing something about it, even choosing to wait until adult charges could be brought rather than trust their daughter’s future safety to the juvenile courts.

  • omaha

    The course this is taking is NOT anti-gay. The law is there to protect underage young teens from exploitation by older teens and adults. A same sex relationship can be just as harmful and exploitive as any other. The law applies to ALL. The gender of the victim and perpetrator should NOT be a consideration. If equal rights are desired, then face up to the equal consequences.

    • fewiz

      Aaah, a voice of reason lost in the din of stupidity. You must have a fondness for beating your head against the wall, as I do.

  • John Henderson

    So if a sex offender moves in next door I don’t know if it’s a rapist or an 18yo girl who dated a 15yo guy.

    • fewiz

      ??You can easily search the criminal court records to find out the original charges. However, so you know, 18-year old girls who simply date a 15-year old guy — or vice versa — are not on sex offender lists. However, if either adult rapes the underage victim, they can be.

      But, I don’t get your confusion. Do you have a preference for the type of rapist who moves in next door?

    • John Henderson

      Yes I do. A rapist does not belong in my neighborhood. But this 18yo who dated an 15yo is not a problem.

    • fewiz

      You make no sense. Do you not understand that the 18-year old in this case is a rapist? Do you not understand that the girl was 14 and not 15 when this started? Do you not understand that the victim is going to testify in court that she was raped? The biased author of this gay propaganda article conveniently omits that part, but I guarantee that no DA anywhere would prosecute a case like this if the victim wasn’t going to testify or was going to testify that she wasn’t raped.

      But that doesn’t matter to you, does it? She seduced that 14-year old minor long enough to have consensual sex and that’s all there is to it in your strange perspective. By your logic, 12-year old boys can seduce 8-year old girls and it’s all OK.

      You’re a sick SOB. Please tell me you don’t live in the Houston area.

    • Jake Witmer

      There’s no end to your vindictiveness, is there? The relationship was consensual. If the parents now coerce their daughter to testify against this girl, it’s they who are introducing force into the equation. Do you think they have influence over her? Definitely!

      Further, do you think the 18yo is guilty of injury AND intent? Hardly.

    • fewiz

      My word you are an idiot. I hope you use KY before each of our tete-a-tetes.

      Here’s where you are confused: it was impossible for the sex to be “consensual” because the rape victim was not legally capable of giving her consent. There is a narrow exception granted to that strict rule for two people very close in age, but the rapist’s age difference exceeded that exception. What about that is so hard for you to understand?

      Think of it this way: I can’t give you my parent’s car. I can’t because it’s not mine to give. It doesn’t matter that you are very persuasive and make me want to give you the car. I can’t.

      Nor could I give it to you if there was a narrow exception to the strict law against giving away other people’s things that did allow one to give away his/her parent’s car as long as the recipient wasn’t stupid. Again, you wouldn’t qualify.

      Does it all make sense now?

    • John Henderson

      You are one sick SOB, please go back to where you came from. This girl is not a rapist. She’s just a poor girl who some scumbag lawyer decided to define as a rapist. If you think shes dangerous then you are probably dangerous yourself.
      Please tell me you don’t live in my neighborhood. But you probably don’t because we don’t have any trailer parks in the area.
      Go back and read what I posted and don’t tell me what I think.

    • fewiz

      I did read what you wrote, you say the adult is not a rapist for having sex with the underage minor.

      We may never know. It seems I’m guilty of a little of the same stupidity that you are blessed with in spades. To wit:

      I refer to the crime in question as rape because that’s how the propagandist who wrote this article described it, and because you used the term in your post.

      Now, I recall that the charges – again, according to this propagandist – are only lewd and lascivious battery of a minor, so the judge or jury won’t be deciding whether it was rape as well.

      So, I assume you mean to say the adult in this case wasn’t a lewd and lascivious batterer of minors.

      Who’s right? The DA or you? I guess we’ll see, but from the descriptions in this article provided by the defendant’s friends and family, it seems like she’s already admitted to as much and only claims innocence because she’s a lesbian.

      Still, I expect that even after the victim testifies to the battery, and evidence is presented confirming the victim’s and defendant’s ages, and the defendant is convicted and sentenced to prison by a jury of our peers who hear the real evidence and don’t just read this propaganda article, you’ll still claim her innocence, won’t you?

      That’s OK. You have the freedom to be stupid in America. And I have the freedom to point out your stupidity.

    • John Henderson

      You have the freedom to point out anything you want, even when you are wrong and beyond stupid.
      But since you equate sex between two teenagers with a violent sexual crime you are obviously one sick puppy. I would not be concerned with this girl living next door to me, she is not a threat to anyone. But it would bother me to know that a sicko like you might be living next door.
      Go look in the mirror if you want to see stupid. But sickos like you will never change.

    • fewiz

      Wow, you came back to let me whoop on you some more. OK, if you insist, but this would be more fun for me if you’d make it a challenge by saying anything of substance.

      Thanks for admitting that I can talk, but could you point out anything I’ve said that was wrong and stupid? Don’t just make the claim, quote my words. Here, I’ll show you how:

      I didn’t “equate sex between two teenagers with a violent sexual crime.” The State of Florida defines sex between an adult and an underage child as a crime. And by her own admissions, it seems, she absolutely guilty; she only seeks to have the charges dismissed because she’s a lesbian. Didn’t you read the article? It’s not me who arrested and charged this rapist.

      Maybe you need to log off here and go to StateofFlorida.com to complain about the law.

      You claim the rapist is “not a threat to anyone” — how can you ignore the underage girl she’s been charged with assaulting? What is it that you got against underage girls anyway? Do you like it when they get raped? Do you have an underage daughter – maybe you’ll let me take her out?

      The rest of your post is just insults you resort to because you’re too stupid to defend your outrageous comments. No substance, just lies, stupidity, and insults.

      You’re a sad wretched person.

    • John Henderson

      You have never whooped on me, all you have done is make a fool of yourself. And normally I would not waste time on the likes of you but I was a little bored and decided to whoop on you. I guess facts and logic are to a lawyer like water is to the wicked witch.
      Equating sex between two teenagers with a violent sexual crime is exactly what you have done. And there are only two types of people who would think that way.
      The first would be a violent sexual predator who would love to be put in the same category as an 18yo who had consensual sex with a 15yo.
      The second would be a lawyer who is planning on taking the 18yo’s parents to the cleaners hoping they will spend every hard earned cent they have saved to rescue their daughter.
      Either way, I would rather have this 18yo who is not a threat to anyone as a neighbor than a lawyer or sexual predator.

    • fewiz

      You’re sounding desperate, idiot. Now you resort to classic liberal propaganda techniques – repeat the lie over and over, never address the opponent’s overwhelming rebuttal with logical facts. Attack his character.

      So, by your stupidity, it’s OK for a 19-year old to have sex with a 13-year old – they’re both “teenagers” and that seems to be your only standard and the entire basis of your argument.

      Over and over from you – “they’re both teenagers, they’re both teenagers.”

      Damn, you are stupid.

      Why do you refuse to acknowledge that it’s not me doing the “equating,” it’s the People of Florida, through the laws passed by their elected representatives?

      Because you have no self-esteem and integrity. Admitting your stupidity is DE FACTO lies would be more than your fragile psyche can stand.

      At least I can admit my mistakes – and arguing with an idiot like you is a big one. If this was offline, and we had an impartial audience, you’d be laughed out of the room. Little children would slap you around and poke you with sticks as you cowered in the corner.

      No more arguing – got more important things to do than ream your sphincter larger and larger with each comment.

      I hope you have a 13-year old daughter the 19-year olds can play with. It’d serve you right, and hell, being your daughter, she’d like it.

    • John Henderson

      Look in the mirror idiot. If you had something to say you would say it. But you talk like a typical idiot liberal lawyer. Give me lots of money because I don’t approve of what they did.
      Damn you are one stupid excuse for what ever it is you represent.
      And now you are supporting 19yo having sex with a 13yo. Pervert…

    • fewiz

      LOL, you’re desparate, aren’t you? Can’t stand it that I’m making you look stupid, can you? Now you resort to lying????

      Are you too stupid to realize that everyone can just scroll up and see that it’s you who advocates letting “teenagers” have sex, regardless of their ages? Yet, with no basis in fact, you accuse me of your words????

      ROLMAO.

      And calling me a liberal???? ROFLMAO You’re the one trying to excuse immoral behavior. I’m citing the law – it is against the law for that adult to have sex with that minor. You’re advocating disregard for the law – you want to excuse her for breaking the law and the only reason you’ve cited is that she’s an adult teenager and the victim is a minor teenager.

      That’s as stupid as the rapist who thinks she should be let off because she’s a lesbian.

      You got no integrity. To come on here and blatantly lie with the evidence of your lie right here in the thread for everyone to see. Your self esteem must be crap if you have to lie rather than admit the truth about what you’re saying.

      I wonder what you psychosis stems from…do you have a tiny d**k? Maybe your mother gave you daily enemas and told all the neighborhood kids. I got it – you don’t know who your father is, it could have been any of the dozens of guys parading in and out of your mom’s bed when you were little. OH wait, I expect she was a lesbian, which is why you defend this lesbian rapist in spite her admission of guilt. Is that it? Were you a child of rape? Some jerk raped your lesbian mom?

      I don’t know, but whatever it is, it had to be way sick to produce someone like you.

      You’re going to have to find someone else to fight with. This latest post from you is so delusional that it would be abuse of the mentally ill for me to continue reaming your rosebud.

      Not that it wasn’t fun, although one of the loosest, sloppiest butts I’ve ever pounded. Apparently I’m not the first or the largest to have you like a ho.

      Goodbye, little Johnny. If you’ll practice clenching your cheeks, you might be able to hold your stool again someday.

    • John Henderson

      Get a life sicko, or a girlfriend or boyfriend. Sooner or later you will get tired of letting me make a fool of you. Or are you so bored that you sit in front of your computer all day waiting for me to whoop up on you a little more.
      I’m citing common sense. You lawyers seem to only be interested in making money off these poor people. You would love to embarrass the kids and wipe out their parents savings because it’s the law.
      Seek help, you are one sick puppy.

    • fewiz

      LOL, You still haven’t figured out that everyone reading this can scroll up and see your actual words. You’ve not made a fool of me at all, idiot. You’re making a fool of yourself.

      You’ve not cited anything I’ve said that was untruthful. You just keep insulting me over and over with no substance. Like this one – that I have no life or gf. No evidence to support that stupidity, you just can’t think of anything else to say. Here, let me help you.

      Tell everyone here why, if the events transpired as described in this article, this adult did not violate the laws against adults having sex with minors.

      That’s all you have to do to make a fool out of me, and it’s the only thing you can do because that’s all I’ve claimed. But you can’t do it because what she did was illegal, just as I’ve said.

      Everyone reading this knows who’s the fool. I’m stating facts that are true; you’re spewing stupidity. It’s real simple.

      More stupidity from you: “You lawyers seem to only be interested in making money off these poor people.”

      I’m not a lawyer, you just pulled that out of your a$$. And, there’s no lawyers making money off of this. The DA is a public employee; he earns a salary and that’s all.

      And this stupidity: “You would love to embarrass the kids and wipe out their parents savings.”

      The only kid is the victim. The rapist is an adult. You seem unable to comprehend that since you keep referring to them both as “teenagers.” Again, who’s the fool?

      I will give you points for persevering. Most idiots have an iota of self respect and don’t continue to humiliate themselves over and over. But not you. You seem to have no clue how stupid you are.

      OK, I’ll wait for you to explain how this adult is not guilty of breaking the law against having sex with minors. When you can’t, maybe you’ll finally shut up. And don’t give me a bunch of BS about the law being unfair. That’s irrelevant to what I’ve said and doesn’t make a fool out of me.

      Damn, it’s times like this that hate arguing online. I’d rather be in a room with a lot of people so I could see your face when everyone laughs at your stupidity.

  • Thom F.

    so are there pictures or not?

    • fewiz

      Alas, no. I have created a Hentai re-enactment though. It starts with the little 14-year old girl’s seduction by the older, wiser lesbian, and ends with the entire Florida LBGT membership doing a tag team on her while chanting “Freedom for Lesbians!!”

  • tulet

    Why did the parents wait until the girl was 18? Acceptance of their daughter with love and understanding would have a much more positive impact than the rift it is causing now. Without the acceptance the parents will have lost the respect and trust of their daughter. The relationship was started before she turned 18, and should be allowed to continue as such without reprisals.

    • fewiz

      The criminal charges are not based on the predator being 18, they are based on the victim being younger than the age of consent. I don’t know Florida law, and the author doesn’t inform us, but many states make an EXCEPTION to statutory rape laws for couples who are close in age and/or both underage. In Texas the victim can’t be more than two years younger.

      It’s possible the parents waited until the predator was 18 to have access to enhanced penalties provided for adult defendants that would actually work to prevent the continued raping of their daughter. It’s very likely that had the predator been charged while still a juvenile, she would have been released by the system into the custody of her parents. The victim and her parents would have been constantly looking over their shoulders, fearful of another attack, just as any rape victim does when their attacker is not charged or incarcerated.

      If you want to argue that their relationship was different, that it was true love and shouldn’t be denied, find a bunch more of your bleeding heart friends and try to change the laws, don’t try to accuse innocent people of bias and prejudice just because they won’t ignore the laws and let this self-admitted rapist get away with her crime.

    • Jake Witmer

      You’re a goddamned redcoat. Too bad there’s no Timothy Murphy to deal with you as you’d have the state deal with this scared teenage girl, you vindictive jerk.

    • fewiz

      You have me confused with someone else, Joke. I don’t own a red coat, and I’m the one trying to protect the scared teenage girl from her adult rapist.

      I’m sorry you can’t “deal” with me yourself – have you tried education? An offshoot might be that your reading comprehension improves as well!

      As for your friend Murphy, I hope I’m not making him jealous by spending so much quality time with you.

    • tulet

      fewiz, Its a relationship the girls had for a long time. you call her a rapist, when in fact, it was consensual, between under aged girls when it started. They were a couple trying to keep their relationship secret, as most gay teens will. You called her a predator, like someone that stalks others for sexual gratification. Don’t you understand, they were in a relationship with each other. Maybe the younger girls parents can’t handle the fact that their little girl is gay, and want to reprogram her.

    • fewiz

      At best, you are ignorant and naive. At worst, you’re an idiot and a liberal.

      Ignoring your emotional, bleeding heart nonsense and just examining this case under the laws created by our society,
      Ignorant statement #1

      “Its a relationship the girls had for a long time. you call her a rapist, when in fact, it was consensual,…”

      It is not a “fact” that it was consensual. It is a fact that it wasn’t consensual because minors cannot give consent. And the law defines the conduct of the adult in this case as rape, it’s not me calling her a rapist.

      Ignorant statement #2

      “They were a couple trying to keep their relationship secret, as most gay teens will.”

      Under the law, they are not a couple. The older female wanted to keep the relationship secret because it was illegal and she was committing a felony.

      Ignorant statement #3

      “You called her a predator, like someone that stalks others for sexual gratification.”

      Not quite. The law enforcement community and legal system do not include “stalking” as a necessary element of being a predator. It is simply used to refer to someone who uses undue influence or coercion on weaker people (often young kids or the elderly) for their own benefit, usually money or sex. The charges in this case justify calling the adult a predator and there is no mention in any of the stories about this case that I’ve read of her ever denying the charges.

      I call your statement ignorant because it seems to imply that you think she’s not a predator.

      Ignorant statement #4

      “Don’t you understand, they were in a relationship with each other.”

      I think everyone involves understands that. That’s what the adult was arrested. That is why she was is a restraining order. That’s why she’s never denied any of the criminal charges against her. It’s you who don’t seem to understand that the relationship is illegal.

      I have a relationship with my bookie. The laws say it is against to the law to have such a relationship. If I or the bookie were arrested for our actions in furthering our relationship, we certainly wouldn’t claim that we should not be prosecuted because “we had a relationship.” Don’t you realize how stupid you sound?

      And the most ignornant of all:

      Statement #5

      “Maybe the younger girls parents can’t handle the fact that their little girl is gay, and want to reprogram her.”

      You say that as if one’s sexuality can be determined by counting their teeth or something. You don’t know that young girl is gay. No one does, except that young girl.

      If a person never has homosexual sex in their life, can they be homosexual? The answer is, of course, yes.

      If a person has homosexual sex, does that mean they are homosexual? The answer is, of course, no.

      If a person says they aren’t homosexual, does that mean they aren’t homosexual? The answer is, of course, yes, unless they are lying.

      If a person says they are homosexual, does that mean they are homosexual. The answer is, of course, yes, unless they are lying.

      You even admit the ignorance of your position in your complaints – you worry that the parents seek to “reprogram” their girl, which necessarily implies that someone can be “programmed,” which means that it’s possible that the defendant did exactly that – she programmed this girl to think she was gay, exactly as you’re saying the parents want to program her to think she’s hetero.

      You need to give up your emotional, bleeding heart nonsense and look at this case in the only way it should, and will, be looked at – from a legal perspective.

      Society has enacted these laws to protect minors. The laws have to set definitive limits to be effectively enforced – it can’t be up to the perpetrators’ subjective opinions whether crimes have occurred or not. Police and the courts have to make those decisions based on facts and definitive laws.

      Subjective opinion is allowed to find justice when cases fall into gray areas, but it is the subjective opinion of a jury or judge that can determine the outcome, not those of the perpetrators or police.

      You just need to grow up and put your big girl panties on. The lady committed a crime. The legal system even tried to give her a break – as you request – and she committed the crime again. She needs to be in prison.

      I think your problem is that you view sexual relationships as either some undeniable right of every human, no matter their age, or some primal urge that is completely undeniable by any person. The easy, obvious, and smart option for the defendant here was to simply not have sex with the young girl. If she truly loved this girl, she should have been able to wait until the girl was old enough. It is possible to not have sex – just ask your spouse.

    • tulet

      fewiz, here’s the Florida Romeo and Juliet Laws that are on the books.

      Section 943.04354, F.S. (“Romeo and Juliet” Law):

      • Provides petition process for removal of the requirement to register for qualifying offenders who are already on the sex offender registry.
      • For offenses that occurred on or after July 1, 2007, allows qualifying offenders to make a motion to the court for relief of the requirement to register.
      • Allows a 4 year age gap between the victim and the offender for exclusion of the registration requirements for certain offenses that are consensual.
      • Victim must be at least 14 but no older than 17 years of age.
      Section 794.05, F.S.:
      • Provides an age-gap provision that allows a 16 or 17 year old to consent to consensual conduct with a person 16-23 years of age.
      By these laws, she isn’t a rapist or a predator. If you had done some research and read other articles about this case, all of your points would be moot. Their age gap is 3 years, and the relationship started well before the “Adult” was 18 years old. Time for you to read and learn.

      Read more: http://www.thegloss.com/2013/05/20/culture/kaitlyn-hunt-teen-same-sex-statutory-rape-case/#ixzz2fHkkC718

    • tulet

      Fewiz, I am not a democrat, I’m a registered republican, but I am going to stop using the term Republican and start using Conservative Constitutionalist. Our congress is too screwed up to do anything good for our country, and they all need to be replaced before our country implodes.

    • fewiz

      Well, I was right. Not only are you ignorant and naive, you’re stupid too. I figured as much but was giving you the benefit of a doubt.

      On the other hand, the author of the article you link is not ignorant, naive, or stupid (seemingly). S/He is a lying distortionist and propagandist, and you were stupid enough to believe his/her lies without fact-checking.

      Unfortunately for you, I’m not.

      You and that author conveniently omit that the statute cited is titled: “Removal of the requirement to register as a sexual offender or sexual predator in special circumstances.” It has nothing to do with whether a defendant is guilty of the crime of rape – in fact, it is exactly about defendants who have already been convicted of rape. The statue only concerns whether the convicted rapist can be allowed to forego registration as a sexual offender.

      Your criticism of me was that I am wrong to call the adult is this case a “rapist” and “predator.” This response from you doesn’t support that argument; yet, you seem to think it does and even go so far as to mock me as needing to “read and learn.”

      The adult in this case, according to the facts alleged, is BY LAW, a rapist and predator. You, judging by the stupidity you keep posting, are STUPID, NAIVE, and IGNORANT. Go read and learn yourself.

    • tulet

      @fewiz, So, you’d have her life destroyed for a relationship that started when she wasn’t an adult, and continued after her birthday. I believe the parents also waited until she turned 18 to make their complaint. I put in the pertinent factors of the Romeo and Juliet law, the comment section will not allow a post of that size. Read it please. By the way not each point is directed to the first statement, each is its own section of the law.
      It is the uneducated person that resorts to insults and name calling when they cannot hold a civilized conversation.

    • fewiz

      So, ignorant, naive, stupid, and persistent – well, I’ll give you credit for persistence. If only you could not be so stupid.

      I did read that law – did you??? Actually went to the Florida statutes (in law school, they taught me not to assume everything I read is fact, and to research it instead). That’s how I provided the above response to your previous post, which documents how those Romeo and Juliet laws have no bearing on the facts in this case. They only apply post-conviction to allow a rapist to quit registering for the sexual offender data base.

      Here is the applicable sentence from the brief linked by this article’s author. Why must I repeat this?

      “Section 943.04354, F.S., creates a mechanism for this GROUP OF OFFENDERS to file a motion or petition in state court for removal of the registration requirement if they meet certain criteria.”

      And, yes, each subsequent clause does relate to the overall purpose of the statute. You can’t just cherrypick a phrase and claim that it stands on its own. That’s probably the stupidest thing you’ve said so far.

      Nor have I resorted to insults in this conversation. All those descriptors of you that I’ve provided are the truth based on what you’ve written here. Again, in this post, you’ve proven yourself ignorant, naive, and stupid with the words you’ve written. If you find it insulting to be accurately described, then you should go hide in a closet somewhere rather than parading your ignorance and stupidity for all to see. Don’t shoot the messenger just because you don’t like the message.

      Have you not read where the rapist is this case pled guilty and was sentenced? Do you really believe that her attorney was as stupid as you are and forgot to read this statute you cite? What does it take for you to realize you’re wrong???

      More likely – your pathetic self esteem is so low that your psyche won’t let you admit you’re wrong. While that means you must go through life displaying absolutely no integrity – dogs probably snarl and children throw chicken bones when you walk by – it still allows your psyche to look at itself in the mirror. Very sad. I hope you don’t have children. The human race doesn’t need more of your genes.

      No, I’m not destroying this rapist’s life, she did it all by herself. Even given a chance to save herself, she fell on her sword again.

      All I’m doing to relating how the law applies to the facts in the case. And, as her guilty plea proves, I am right and you are wrong. Get over it. Learn from it. Thank me for helping you see the truth. But mostly STFU about stuff you know nothing about and quit trying to interject your bleeding heart corrupt liberal morality into the legal process.

      There is a place for your emotion-based, no-logic rationale – it’s limited to the judge and jury who are free to consider their “feelings” when deciding matters of fact. No one else’s feelings matter, not even an idiot like you.

    • tulet

      @fewiz:disqus , OK, OK, OK, you win. I am not a liberal, nor a republican, so you can stop the guessing. I concede the point that by she broke the law. It shows the flaws in the law when it comes to a magical day when you’re not legal, as opposed to legal the next day. You cannot just shut off emotions that have built up over an extended period of time to fit the wording of a law. That is where the adjudication of the judge should have the impartiality to address each situation individually. That is why we have minimum and maximum penalties. She got a minimal sentence without having to register as a sex offender.
      Still though –The name calling. I will not put myself at your level. I leave that for the Liberals.

    • fewiz

      Hmm, wasn’t trying to guess your politics and didn’t call you a liberal. I said you were espousing liberal morality, which you are.

      Otherwise, you’re making progress. Glad I could help. Let’s continue:

      The law isn’t flawed. There is no “magical day.” What you are trying to portray as legal one day/not legal the next, as if the other 364 days were also legal, could just as easily be illegal 364 days and legal 1.

      Regardless, you’re missing the point, and it’s because you’ve adopted a liberal view of morality. The simple truth is that no one is asking these girls to “shut off emotions.” All they are asking is for the adult to not have sex with the minor. They can still be in love.

      Why is it that you think 13-14 year old girls should be having sex? Or worse, that it is morally wrong to suggest that children should not be having sex? Do you really believe that a majority, or even a small minority, of American parents believe 13-14 year olds should be encouraged to have sex?

      I hate to tell you, but you’re definitely in the minority with this one. Laws that discourage children from having sex have been enacted in all 50 states, by representatives elected by a majority of voters in those states. I’m not making this stuff up.

      Otherwise, not sure why you think you need to tell me about judges (and juries) having the ability to consider extenuating circumstances; I told you that in previous posts.

      As for your accusation that I’m a name-caller, I rebutted that as well. Calling a stupid person “stupid” is not name-calling. Actually, “stupid” is not even a name. I’ll grant that it could be considered an insult – if you hadn’t repeated made stupid statements. Otherwise, everything I said about you is absolutely true based on what you’ve said in this thread, as you now seem to admit.

      I will give you credit again for that admission. For whatever reason, admitting a mistake is very hard for most people. I don’t understand it, but it’s true. Personally, I have no problem at all admitting when I’m wrong. You can search my Discus archive and find a few examples of me doing that.

      I appreciate people pointing out my mistakes. I learn from them. I’ve never learned anything from people telling me I’m right.

      I think that if you’ll make a habit of admitting mistakes, you’ll be amazed at how good integrity makes you feel.

  • Wong Wei

    Are we talking about intercourse???

    • fewiz

      I’m not, but if you’ll post your picture, I’ll think about it. First, though, do you have intercourse the wight or wong wei?

  • fewiz

    ??? This author is an idiot. “…statutory rape laws were intended to protect children from sexual contact with adults, not with other children.”

    What does she not understand about 18 years old being the legal age of adulthood? Here in Texas, it wouldn’t have mattered – the law only requires more than a two-year age difference if one party is below the age of consent; she would have been charged before she turned 18.

    And this stupidity from her: “…case is quickly gathering notoriety for the apparent role anti-gay bias has played….” The arrest and supposed lack of leniency are exactly what the law instructs. There is absolutely no evidence of bias on anyone’s part, except from the author and the LGBT lobby, and it’s pro-gay bias – they want authorities to ignore laws and be lenient on lesbian offenders.

    The woman raped a child, those facts are, with what we’ve been told, indisputable. If we infer correctly, the woman has even admitted to the act. She simply pleads that she’s not guilty because she’s a lesbian, and asks for leniency because she’s a lesbian.

    It’s absurd.

    Throw her in jail to serve as an example to others who think they can prey on children who lack the wisdom only maturity can provide to make the decisions in their best interests. Whether the predator is straight or gay doesn’t matter.

    If their and the victim’s relationship was so special, the answer is simple – wait until the child is of age. Sexual desire is not an urge that can’t be denied. Just more liberal BS that all “feelings” are OK; self-discipline and self-responsibility are bad things.

    • Jake Witmer

      You sir, are a tyrant and a moron.

    • fewiz

      Hmm, and you think others will agree when you talk like that? I guess I could appeal to those who might support you by mentioning how your rosebud flares at the sound of my voice, but no. I’ll just let you wallow in that mud by yourself and trust our rational readers to correctly surmise the moron here.

  • agnar150

    This is out of bounds to put teenagers in jail for something so crazy. Let the parents take care of these issues! Stop waiting money on this stuff.

    • Jake Witmer

      Absolutely! Always remember that juries can nullify bad laws and
      malicious prosecutions like this. Learn your rights as a jury member!

    • fewiz

      Cool. Do you have a 14-year old daughter? I’m lonely.

    • fewiz

      Do you understand the legal distinction between adults and minors? Hint: it has nothing to do with whether the person is a “teenager” or not. Some teenagers are adults, some are minors. The adult teenagers are expected to abide by all of society’s laws or face the consequences. Those laws limit sexual activity between adults and minors. The minor teenagers are also expected to abide by all laws, but society has deemed that they lack the mental capacity to make important decisions. Having sex with an adult is one of those decisions.

      So, please clarify, do you believe society shouldn’t distinguish between minors and adults — it should be up to the parents whether that 19-year old teenager is dicking their 13-year old teenager? Or do you believe that society shouldn’t deem “teenagers” as lacking the mental capacity to make important decisions at all — let those 13 year old teenagers buy guns, drive cars, vote, have sex with anyone who can talk them into it, etc.?

      I mean, surely, you have a thought process you followed to reach such stupidity.

  • salemst

    Since it was same sex, it’s fine.
    Had it been heterosexual the guy’s a predator deserving jail time, right?

    So let’s cut to the chase. Just ignore all same sex incidents as society is rampant with homophobia so all behavior associated with it is excused. Just prosecute males–specially if they’re white–and throw Christians in jail without due process under the law.

  • George Kelly

    If the parents don’t know what the darn laws are, how do we expect our kids to know what the laws are?

    • Jake Witmer

      Absolutely! Always remember that juries can nullify bad laws and
      malicious prosecutions like this. Learn your rights as a jury member,
      here: http://www.fija.org

    • fewiz

      Joke, I think she refers to the mother quoted in this article. She’s the one that seems to think that because her daughter is a lesbian, criminal laws shouldn’t apply to her. The victim’s parents exhibit an above average understanding of the law – they probably sought legal advice – by waiting for the rapist to turn 18. Juvenile court would have just released the rapist back to her parent’s custody, free to assault their daughter again.

  • James Deangelis

    … the older girl made their daughter “gay”. That’s is such an ignorant statement!

    • fewiz

      Believing what the rapist’s friends and mother claim were the victim’s parent’s intentions is what is ignorant.

      There is not a single unbiased fact in this article – except that BS statute she pasted – and she purposely did that just to make the article seem authoritative. This is all just the rapist’s supporters’ versions of events and motivations. There is nothing here from the police or victim. How can you fall for such amateur propaganda?

      Shame on you for being so gullible, and for being so ugly.

  • Lee Washington

    My question is now,, How do we define sex ?? It is obvious that they could not have had intercourse and if that is the case ,, where is the statutory rape ?? Forget the gap in age, how do we define a sexual encounter ?? Is kissing an encounter,, fondling,, what ?? To me these seem to be the revelant questions ?? Does anyone have an explaination for me ??

  • Lee Washington

    My question is now,, How do we define sex ?? It is obvious that they could not have had intercourse and if that is the case ,, where is the statutory rape ?? Forget the gap in age, how do we define a sexual encounter ?? Is kissing an encounter,, fondling,, what ?? To me these seem to be the revelant questions ?? Does anyone have an explaination for me ??

  • Lee Washington

    Third time !!!!!!!!

    My question is now,, How do we define sex ?? It is obvious that they could not have had intercourse and if that is the case ,, where is the statutory rape ?? Forget the gap in age, how do we define a sexual encounter ?? Is kissing an encounter,, fondling,, what ?? To me these seem to be the revelant questions ?? Does anyone have an explaination for me ??

    • TerranceC

      They can have oral sex digital (fingers) sex and they can use sex toys for vaginal and anal penetration among other things.

    • Jake Witmer

      Don’t forget scissoring! LOL Of course, that’s legal if it’s two guys accidentally doing it in a wrestling match. Just make sure there’s no love involved!

    • fewiz

      Why do you think that matters? The charge – if this obviously biased author is to be believed – is for “lewd and lascivious battery of a child.” Your question should be, how do we define the terms “lewd,” “lascivious,” and “battery.”

      Here, let me help. From Dictionary.com:

      lewd [lood] adjective, lewd·er, lewd·est.

      1. inclined to, characterized by, or inciting to lust or lechery; lascivious.
      2. obscene or indecent, as language or songs; salacious.

      Do I need to look up those other words for you?

  • Marbran

    It was only a matter of time before such a case came up. I say, you can’t have it both ways. If the law says an 18-y.o. having sex with a 15-y.o. is a felony, then its a felony. The genders of the actor and victim should play no bearing. Sure, we all know how ludicrous these laws are, making illegal what is a biological imperative for our species, when no coercion or violence (rape) occurred. Maybe people should have been more vocal when these laws were being passed. Maybe we wouldn’t have almost 1 million Americans registered today. I know, its all okay until someone you know gets charged as a sexual predator, right?

    • fewiz

      Aaah, simple thoughts from a simple mind. I guess you think it should be legal to have sex with a comatose person as long as no “violence or coercion” is involved. Ditto with mouth-screwing infants who have a “biological imperative” to suck on anything placed in their mouths – no coercion or violence required for that.

      You’re so stupid. The issue is “mental capacity.” Our laws recognize, properly, that some people do not have the mental capacity to make potentially harmful decisions, including whether to have sex.

      Why don’t you come over to the house? I got some Roofies – let’s see if I can assrape you without using violence or coercion. Geesh, SMH.

    • Marbran

      Wow, you really took what I posted to the extreme. You have some real issues there, genius. And your personal attacks on me mark you as a liberal. Tough talk for someone hidden behind a computer, coward.

    • fewiz

      Yes, I took it to extremes because you fail to see the issue on its face. You seem to think that absent violence and coercion, no sex can be rape, and that’s just stupid.

      I understand that you consider that a “personal attack.” I consider it the “truth.” When someone says stupid things, I call them stupid. But, I explain why what they said is stupid with overwhelming logic.

      You, on the other hand, being stupid again, and also demonstrating that you lack integrity, personally attack me with insults that have no basis – they’re just nonsense.

      “Your personal attacks on me mark you as a liberal.”

      That’s just stupid. You only have to click my name and look at hundreds of online posts to know I’m no liberal. And nothing I said here supports that stupidity.

      And, according to you, my taking your stupidity to extremes means I “have real issues there, genius.”

      Again, nonsense. There’s a logical and reasonable reason for my use of extreme examples – you’re too stupid to grasp the issue when it’s nuanced.

      Nor does calling you stupid online mean I’m a coward or that I’m trying to hide. Your name isn’t Marbran, does that mean you’re a coward hiding?

      SMH. Grow some, idiot. When you say something stupid, just apologize and admit it. It makes you look worse denying and attacking truthful criticism than just admitting that you misspoke. Better yet, you should just shut up about crap you know nothing about. Go read up on a subject so you can add value to the conversation, rather than you spewing your insecurities and low self-esteem blather to the world.

      There’s no logical connection.

      and you offer no explanation.

      and provide .

      What

    • Marbran

      Yeah… Um, I was writing a comment, not a book.

      And regarding your other posts, you do seem to revel in anonymously calling everyone stupid. You need help.

    • fewiz

      Yeah…Um, you were writing a stupid comment. If you can explain why this statement of yours is not stupid, such that I am wrong for calling you stupid for writing it, then I’ll do exactly what I’m telling you to do – admit your mistake:

      “we all know how ludicrous these laws are, making illegal what is a biological imperative for our species, when no coercion or violence (rape) occurred.”

      If you can’t explain that, then you should just STFU and go away. Your sniveling attempts to discredit me rather than admit that I have, in fact, discredited you reveals your true personality.

      You can call me mean and tell me I need help, I don’t care. Reminds me of the old retort to “you’re fat” – “yeah, but you’re stupid, and I can lose weight.”

      I think you’re mean for spreading your stupidity online, and I think you need help so I’m trying to educate you. BUT, I’m not stupid, and I don’t mind taking a few insults in support of truth and reason over BS idiots.

      I’ve tried being nice to idiots. Y’all’s well-deserved low self-esteems prevent you from learning my lessons. Now, I just try to shame y’all off the Internet.

      You see, the world would be a better place if all the meanness like mine were taken off the streets and put on the Internet – as they say, “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”

      But, on the other hand, society would be better served to take stupidity off the Internet where it can affect so many so quickly, and putting it back on the street where it can be run over by cars or left to die under a freeway.

      Just doing what I can to make the world a better place.

  • Jay Reams

    Well at least she can’t get knocked up and add to the government’s welfare burden.

    Is it really that uncommon to date someone 3 years younger than you? I know a lot of couples that are 5,10,17 years apart. So only when a government appointed number is reached, this is allowed? In other countries this would be no big deal.

    • fewiz

      Are you really that dense? This isn’t about “dating someone 3 years younger,” it’s about raping a minor. Florida law defines who are minors and seeks to protect them lest their immaturity leaves them without the mental capacity to make decisions in their best interests.

      Why can’t you understand that? Why do you compare it to two adults three years apart? What difference does it make what other countries do? SYK, there are countries where this rapist would be stoned to death just for having sex outside of marriage. But this is America and this case will be tried under Florida law.

      Sure, have your opinion. In America anyone can be stupid. But don’t try to distort the truth.

  • joe blough

    HA HA HA You lezbo….equality isn’t so great after all, is it ???
    Have you registered for the draft yet, bitches ???
    You want a guy to buy everything, open doors, cater to your every whim, and at the same time also be treated as equals… until it affects you negatively.

    • Jake Witmer

      Stop looking at individuals as groups, moron.

    • fewiz

      LOL, why idiot? Besides that being just a stupid statement, I can quote you doing exactly that prolly a dozen times in this forum – bashing everyone who doesn’t believe this BS propaganda article as far-right extremists.

      While I enjoy exposing the stupidity of idiots like you, I’ve done wore your ass out in this thread. Why don’t you quit hogging all the abuse and let me whoop ass on some other idiots for a change?

    • fewiz

      I’ve been trying to get the gist of that message out, using a more tactful approach, and I must say, the women come at you like Apache squaws when you do. They really do want to have it both ways, equality plus men kissing their butts for sex.

      I compare it to the way libs viciously attack black conservatives, anyone who sees through the facade has to be destroyed.

      Anyway, I threw you a thumbs up for your general idea less the vulgarity, but expect a few thumbs down from the women.

  • PorkChop

    That’s a pretty sick looking pup in that picture…

  • SUnsan

    I’d rather live with a conservative gay than a hetero lib

  • Bob

    While the “victim’s” family is seriously misinformed if they think their daughter was “made gay” by being friends with the older girl, the same thing would be happening if this were between an 18 year old boy and a 15 year old girl so it has nothing to do with gay rights.

    • fewiz

      We don’t know that the parents think that. You’ve just been manipulated by the article’s author. Read the article again – her description of the events consists of quotes from a FB page run by the rapist’s friends and supporters and another quote from the rapist’s mother.

      Those aren’t facts. We have no idea what actually happened. But, what we do know is that the DA is choosing to prosecute a case that is hard as hell to prove, and he’ll be up against the gay lobby and their media propagandist’s like this article. If he doesn’t have the victim testifying, he has almost no chance to win. And if the victim is testifying against the rapist, what’s the chances that the events occurred as this article describes?

    • fewiz

      Also, so you know, the purpose of this article is to provide the quotes that can be repeated in other articles without admitting that it’s propaganda.

      Other gay activists in the media will now write articles not about the case, but about this article. By doing it that way, they just have to say one time in their new article that they’re referring to this story as the source, and they can then state this article’s BS opinions and false accusations as fact – because it is a fact that this article made those statements.

      It’s real tricky, but they do it all the time. Or, they might choose one of the other stories – there are several quoting this rapist’s mother and the FB page, but none quoting the police, DA, or victims. Whichever one is getting the most hits and making the most outrageous accusations will become the one that the gay media circles their wagons around.

      It’s the gay media attack machine. Repeat lies often enough and they become true.

  • AM1987

    For those saying “the law is the law and she broke it” there are a lot of laws that are broken everyday. http://people.howstuffworks.com/10-archaic-laws.htm#page=0

    Now I am not saying that this law we are talking about is not a good law in general. I just think back to high school about how many seniors dated sophomores and freshman. They hung out in the same group and went to the same high school. I really think they are making an example of her.

    • fewiz

      You would really be wrong. Seniors and sophomores are typically two years apart. These two girls were three years. That may not mean anything to you, but under the laws of the State of Florida, that difference makes it a crime. Why can’t you accept that?

      Sure, others aren’t prosecuted – statutory rape is always a tough crime to prosecute. In most cases, there is not credible evidence or the victim refuses to testify. In this case, it’s pretty obvious that the victim will testify – a simple fact that would cast serious doubt as to the accuracy of the unsubstantiated claims made in this article.

      I mean, seriously, who do you think the jury is going to believe – the underage victim who testifies of being seduced and raped by the adult woman, or the comments from the rapists’ friends and relatives posted on Facebook?

      Get a grip, idiot. You sound like a zealot blinded by your need to promote the gay agenda.

  • Mike

    I must say..had this been a black 17 yr old boy the outrage would be deafining

    • fewiz

      And it would be idiots like you making all the noise. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy…

  • Uncle Bevo

    homophobic parents, old, out of touch prosecutors and lawmakers, and hyper-religious right wing members of society. Casting the first stone, are they?

    • Jake Witmer

      Absolutely! Always remember that juries can nullify bad laws and malicious prosecutions like this. Learn your rights as a jury member, here: http://www.fija.org

    • fewiz

      Unless, of course, the defendant chooses to be tried by a judge, which this defendant would be wise to do.

    • fewiz

      Wrong. It is you casting the first stone. Go ahead, cite your evidence for making that accusation. There’s nothing in this article that would make a jury of reasonable people believe that stupidity – hell, there’s nothing in the article that would even be admitted into evidence in court. The opinions of the rapists’ supporters stated on a FB page is not credible evidence – why are you so stupid as to believe such biased statements are indisputable fact?

      Seriously, regardless of the outcome of this case, you need look at yourself to understand why you fall for such obvious propaganda. I expect others are taking advantage of your gullibility as well. Retaking your 8th grade civics class might be sufficient. Just ask the teacher if anything in this article could constitute credible evidence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002077259102 Peter LaRochelle

    This is what happens when liberal parents introduce their kids to their radical philosophical nonsense concerning sexual values and common decency (or the lack there of). Yeah, I had friends having sex at 15 and I was disgusted and told them it was wrong because I had been raised better than that and recognized that most girls were equating sex and attention with love when it really wasn’t. A lot of lonely kids will let some one do anything to them when they have been neglected or their self-esteem is low in order to not be alone even if they’re uncomfortable with it. No decent person takes advantage of someone like that. It’s not love when you demand sex from a vulnerable minor in order to maintain the relationship. It may be frustrating, but you wait for someone who isn’t ready or old enough or the right sex if you have any decency at all. Children that young have no concept of moral values or what’s acceptable until they’ve been taught those values by their parents. We tell kids these days that anything is acceptable and there are no consequences for what they do. This is the result and I hope she does time. The victim’s parents have every right to be angry that their daughter was introduced to a sexual predator who encouraged a minor under 16 to experiment with homosexuality. Do you honestly expect me to believe they were both gay to begin with? That’s entirely too coincidental to be believable.

    • fewiz

      Well, there’s always that perspective. Did you read where the Supreme Court called you an asshole today? Sadly, it’s because stupid extremists like you exist that far-left extremists make sense to some people.

      Society through their elected representatives and laws have defined rape, and this young lady is defacto guilty. Just leave it at that. All your BS just motivates the opposition and demoralizes the great majority of people who might support some of what you say.

  • Big Papa Puff

    Florida is just a Fked up state period

    • fewiz

      Wow. You seem so intelligent. I just gotten believe that whatever you’re trying to say has some grain of truth in it. Please, entertain us some more.

  • Joshua Cyrus

    Wow man are you that dense, both of those cases weren’t even tried by a US court. they were both when we were under British rule. mat want to check your info before you spout it off.

  • David Blais

    This has got to be some of the most embarrassing posts I have read in my life. Most of you are idiots.

    Why don’t you keyboard warriors get off your swivel chariots and concern yourself with your own life instead of condemning others for theirs..?

    • fewiz

      I know, isn’t it crazy. And most of them are condemning the victim based on nothing but the hearsay accounts of the defendant’s friends and family found in this obviously biased and unsubstantiated article.

      I just wonder though, how is you and I condemning them any different? Is it that you aren’t on a swivel chariot? Or, maybe you are uniquely able, in your opinion, to concern yourself with your life while still finding time to condemn the people here.

      Gosh, you’re a complex character. O.o

  • Mohammed

    If the gays wish to continue to draw attention to themselves then this is what you get. Don’t shout from the mountain if you don’t want attention. If you base your identity on sex then that is what you will be scrutinized for. She did the crime now she will do the time….and make lots of friends while in there.

  • RickMoretti

    I believe if we refuse to make our teens responsible for their action not only in sexual matters but in all human endeavors and relationships, we will be forming a generation
    of irresponsible people, where anything goes. It is the out growth of the Abortion Laws
    Murder has become “A Woman’s Right to Kill Her Son or Daughter “. The Innocent Victim under this this laws pays for the Crime. The Crime primarily ” The Crime of Irresponsiblity!” Ironically Called “Planed Parenthood!”

    CHANGE IS GOOD FOR A COUNTRY, BUT NOT THE CHANGE WE HAVE EXPERIENCED. THE MUEDER OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY IN FRONT OF
    MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, AND THE VERDICT OF ROWE vs WADE AND
    THE LEGALIZATION OF THE MURDER OF MORE THE 50MILLION HEALTHY BABIES…..”HAS CHANGED THIS COUNTRY IN THE WORST OF WAYS!”

    WE USE TO BE THE SOCIAITY OF LIFE, AND WE HAVE BECOME THE SOCIAITY OF DEATH. ANY FUTURE CHANGE SHOULD BE TO GET BACK TO OUR ROOTS.

  • Igor13

    The trouble with the law is there isn’t allowance for common sense. Everything is black and white, no gray. This is an interesting problem. If this had been a male/female thing then rape charges would have been pushed. By being a lesbian relationship the waters just get a litle muddier. Are the paernts pushing because of the age or because of the same sex thing? Also this thing started when they were both minors. Do feelings change when one is no longer a minor? Unlike most people on here, I don’t klnow, but it is interesting.

  • glorybe2

    Witch hunts are common in America. We have some very primitive people who are so uptight over anything having to do with sex that our laws are normally absurd. The to make it worse they got rid of the old junior high school concept and created middle schools. So suddenly we were mixing students as young as 14 with students who were 18. A ninth grade girl can really pursue a senior boy and will do it for status. It is not always a matter of the 18 year old seducing the 14 year old but can easily be the opposite. Frankly the law needs to get out of this arena unless someone is forced into sex. In south Florida hookers are sometimes even under 14. I find it hard to believe that a 16 year old hooker who has been working it for several years is somehow harmed if a 24 year old rents her services. Laws that deal in absolutes are inherently unreasonable.

  • Adam Selene

    Dear Hunt Family:

    Your daughter has my sympathy.

    Provided, of course, you produce evidence of all the times you crusaded for similar justice when 19 year old boys in your community were prosecuted for statutory rape of 15 year old girls. Or even evidence that you’ve written your representatives advocating close-in-age exceptions to statutory rape. Have you even made a post arguing for such on the internet?

    Because if you haven’t done these things, the proof is conclusive that you’re not acting on any actual principled opposition to the unjust persecution of young people who act according to their biological imperatives. You’re just mad that your little girl has to obey the same rules everyone else does. You feel she should be privileged to do what so many young men have had their whole lives destroyed for doing over the course of generations now.

    This is why your girl isn’t going to have the charges against her dropped. It’s very likely she’s going to have some men on her jury too, who buy into neither feminist privilege nor homosexual privilege. So she’s no real hope of nullification.

    Her life is over before it started, and that’s a tragedy. But your “she’s being persecuted for being a homosexual” schtick is downright offensive when young men get prosecuted for the same thing every day.

  • anon

    This is so fu**ed. Are the whack-job parents of the 15 year old theists? Seems like they would have to be.

  • MannyJudge

    Sounds fair to me. If it was a guy it would be the same charge. Welcome to equality. :D

  • kLPantera

    I find it dumb how if you ‘break’ the 18 year old age gap courts will abuse that fact in these types of cases. Seriously sometimes the ‘law’ is dumb, after all who made the law?

  • cc bs

    R Kelly videotaped himself using a 14 year old girl as a human toilet and got off scott free, his next album went multiplatinum, and had the full-fledged support of his fans and peers, even after the video was made public where everyone with two eyes could see it was him. He is still highly regarded in the music industry. My question is, had that been a 14 year old boy on the tape and he was doing the EXACT same things to him, would he have gotten a pass? This is also the same guy who secretly married the late pop star Aaliyah when she was only 15 and he was 29 so it’s not like this was an isolated incident. HE should be listed as a registered sex offender not a girl who is in a relationship with someone three years younger than her.

  • Truth

    Everyone has been told for years that gay rights would not lead to child molesting. Now people want to legalize pedophilia. If that’s what you want at least stand the hell up and say so honestly and loudly. If this precious 14 year old were my child, the only debate would be “was it murder or justifiable homicide.”

  • wakeupamerica32

    Kaitlyn Hunt needs to know what it feels like to be made love to by a real man, then she would not have the urge to nibble on little girls.

    • fewiz

      Thank God!!! Finally, someone stupider than all the idiots supporting the rapist in this article. I was getting tired of repeating the same explanations over and over. Let me guess, a real man made love to you when you were a little boy and you’ve never liked girls again.

      Honestly, I’m not sure that will work for everyone. If a real man tried to make love to me, I’d still like girls and he’d develop a sudden distaste for Smith&Wesson.

  • Guest

    She should definitely do some porn to help pay for her legal defense.

    • fewiz

      Or have some porn done to her. I hear pedophiles are well-loved in prison.

  • Guest

    My great-grandparents eloped when he was 18 and she was 14. They had 74 genuinely happy years together, 7 children, countless grandchildren, great-grandchildren (myself among them), and great-great-grandchildren…. Had this law existed back then, their lives would’ve been ruined, and myself and my family would never have been born.

    • fewiz

      Damn, what a shame. Then we wouldn’t have had to listen to you apologize for criminals. You could still kill yourself!

  • George

    I was a senior in H.S. at 18. I dated several 15 & 16 yr. old’s. They to were in H.S. Half our class would have been arrested under the onus of this case. Kids are kids.

    • fewiz

      I’m sorry girls your own age would have nothing to do with you. The solution, if you think there is a problem, is to work with the state legislature to change the laws if you believe them unfair. If that doesn’t work, organize a majority of voters to elect representatives that will change the laws. Otherwise, flout those laws at the risk of going to prison.

      BTW, I’ll bet the majority of voters in your state agree with the laws as written. Maybe you should move to a country that condones raping – I see where Egypt doesn’t define a crime of sexual assault. Just don’t bend over to look at the Sphinx or someone might look at your Sphinxter.

  • Bill Gallatin

    More than 36 months in age difference.. the law is the law and unless the law is changed then she should be charged. This wouldnt be a shocking story if it was a boy who was 18 and a girl who was 15. You dont get a free pass because youre a lesbian.

  • watcher

    Can I watch?

  • Cathy

    Most of you people are absolutely certifiable!!! You want to let this young girl fry for what I bet most of you did when you were teenagers (irregardless of same sex or not). I bet everyone of you dated an older teen or younger one. A good majority of you had a sexual relationship (sex does NOT have to be intercourse) with that person. Get off your high horses and stop acting like she did something along the lines of a pedophile. Go attack real perverted issues such as HS sports teams gang raping young girls, or team mates hazing younger team mates with sodomy! Start exposing your own skeletons before you play judge to this young girl.

  • rick

    welcome to being an adult and equal treatment under the law. sexual contact with a minor is a crime.

  • mooseinfmp

    Don’t worry, sweetie, you’ll have LOTS of new girlfriends in prison!

  • Equalizer357

    blah..!

  • R

    Young men are charged with statutory rape all the time and its not a news item. I read in another story that Kaitlyn was offered a generous plea deal, but refused to accept it. Equality means that gay people need to be treated the same as non-gay people, not receive exceptions for their behavior. Parents of a 14-15 year old should have every right to prevent the sexual advances of a boy or a girl. A 14-15 is too young for sex and being gay does not change that. Kaitlyn could have dated another 18 year old woman but she pushed herself on a 15 girl against the parents wishes. Gay rights does not mean the end of parental rights.

  • Roger

    This is truly unbelievable. What a travesty of justice and mistreatment of a human being!

  • Shane Johnson

    not to be rude but what ever happened with the age of consent..if the girl is 15 and she is in the right state of mind then it is not illegal…well I guess it depends on the state too…damnit.

  • Shane Johnson

    anyways I am not going to bash on this woman since being that it is not any of my business but she is hot.

  • sick of this

    I believe gays and lesbians should be treated the same as heterosexuals. Therefore prosecute her the same way you would a heterosexual male her age. That means prison time and sex offender registry. Welcome to equal rights, you asked for it you got it.

  • Samboblakk

    Fap, fap, fap

  • chris

    Although I do believe that the fact that this was a lesbian relationship is likely what led the parents to pursue the charges, I’m not sure the court has any choice but to enforce the laws they have. Clearly she is in violation of the law. If the people of Florida believe this girl shouldn’t be prosecuted, then they should work to change the law. I don’t know that an 18yr old having a relationship with a 15 yr old is necessarily perverted, as the maturity of those involved and the nature of the relationship really determines that. It certainly can be, as most 18 yr olds would have an advantage to manipulate, intimidate, or otherwise take advantage of a 15 yr old. Most states have 16 as the age of consent for a reason. All that said, if people don’t like the law, they should work to change it, not ask the courts to ignore it.

  • JimmyBiden

    There’s a reason they call it jail bait.

    No one should be having sex with a 14 year old. Hunt took advantage of a kid who had issues home and was a run away. I guess she couldn’t enter into a mature relationship with someone above the age of consent who was stable.
    When you read the text messages, clearly Hunt is a manipulator playing with a young mind.

  • Truth

    After the gays knock down the sodomy laws they will knock down the pedophile laws. This big “fear” that gays said was “homophobia” is now happening.

  • Michael Lopez

    Should we expect anything different from the South? ” She made my daughter gay!” Yeah, sure she did.

    • Louis Tabor

      idiot

    • Michael Lopez

      The good ol’ South strikes again. Go ahead and tell me how you think Zimmerman acted in self defense when he shot an unarmed child. Because we know it would be an open and shut murder case if an adult black man stalked and killed an unarmed white child. It’s the South that sets the standard for racism in this country. After all, they had to be forced by threat of prosecution by the federal govt. to treat non whites as human beings because they couldn’t manage to bring themselves to do it on their own as good God fearing Christians.

    • jtom

      A 17-year old is a child, but sex with a 14-year old is ok? It must be dizzying having to live with your mind. BTW, my cousin was killed by an unarmed 17-year old when he tried to break up a fight. Zimmerman walks.

  • Sandy

    This whole lawsuit thing is crazy. Too bad the girls didn’t keep their mouths shut till both were 18.

  • Waste of Time

    There are SO many more dangerous people out in the world doing MUCH more harm than this and THIS is what we’re wasting our tax dollars on?! Pathetic.

  • mike

    you ALLLLL miss the point entirely. Has NOTHING to do with homophobia. Law is law. If the 18 yr old football player pounded your 14yr old daughter you would ALLLLL be pressing charges right now

  • camkay

    There should be no difference between the the application of the law toward gay or straight. It is ridiculous that young men are branded as sex offenders for life because they turned 18 before their girlfriend did. I have seen too many life’s ruined over this.

  • me

    This is so wrong on so many levels just people wanting to run other peoples lives. I don’t care if you are the parents. Perhaps if they had spent time with their children they would turn out more like the parents think they should. But if they are so busy they don’t invest in their children well that is on them. and How would an opposite sex relationship been any better. Remember children are people too, they have a right to live and make mistakes (or not) also.

  • crusader2010

    The law is the Law, Welcome to the real world.

  • Alystar Mckenneh

    First the article states the girls started a relationship when Kaitlyn H was 17, in the next sentence they say she was 18 so which is it? But that is beside the point. If anybody was having a sexual relationship with my 14 year old child, their arrest photo would look a whole lot different, no teeth and a couple of black eyes. Not to mention my foot up their ass. Appariently most of you on this comment section do not have children. 14 year olds have no idea what they are doing half the time, they speak nonsense more often than not and their real grasp of the world is completely non existent. And that is not to disrespect them but they are still babies who are trying to figure people out and are starting to challenge the status quo and find their own voices. They are completely immature. Yes people did have kids in their early teens back in the day when the life expectancy was 45 but that was NOT the norm. And it is not relevant. Yes the Taliban blah blah blah …but that is not relevant either. No child should be having sex at 14 and if a school senior started dating my eighth grader or ninth grader, again they would not be able to walk into that jail cell in an upright position. It’s unfortunate that the cockeyed, distorted morals that Ms. Hunts family instilled in their daughter has led her to this place. I doubt that Ms Hunt went to the parents of this younger child and said, by the way do you mind if I have sex with your daughter. She would have been stopped in her tracks. I think she made the bed that her parents built for her, now she needs to lie in it.

    • pazke

      I have a 14 yo and if she chose to engage in a sexual relationship, I would consider that a failure on my part. I wouldn’t go running to the police to catch the partner in a technical crime.

    • Alystar Mckenneh

      If it were with an adult. Of course you would.

      And yes I agree there was some failure on the part of the child’s parents but who on earth would think they had to protect their girl child from another girl? We are taught to keep the boys away from the girls while they are becoming responsible adults but crap now we have to watch just about everybody to keep your kid safe until they can manage on their own.

      How about some set rules that we ALL play by! No you may not have sex with my child if you are an adult, a minister, a teacher, her brother, her father, some stranger, and nowadays her sister, girlfriend, mother etc. You may not have sex with my child if my child is still a child! Period. Nor may you sell my child drugs, inject my child with drugs, offer my child drugs or drink ever!

      NOR MAY YOU GROOM MY CHILD! Everyone has the same frame of reference when it come to children. The only people who don’t are predators and predators come in all ages, shapes and sizes. Even 18 year old girls!

  • Poppy Potts

    Kaitlin is a pervert and she may be responsible for the decay of the youngers girls moral character. Its rape legally

  • Guest

    A Generation of Aliens by John Harmer, former AG to Reagan. Read it and weep

  • Mad mom

    I think what is extremely important here is a 14yo was engaged in activity her parents did not approve of. Without laws to protect our kids or ways to influence poor choices of our teenagers, especially in a day where parenting is too often being labeled as abusive (a judge order just in February that a 15yo’s iphone could not be taken away as a consequence even if he had another phone to use) bundled in with a society that thinks we should all just do what we feel like doing regardless of how it effects others we would have even more issues than we do now. I would be very unlikely to accept that my 14yo was in a relationship with an 18yo regardless of sexual orientation. The question is, how do I stop this legal aged adult (time to realize there are laws and not just rules that can be broken) from influencing my child into activities I don’t approve of.

  • El Pescador

    Way to complete slant an article until it’s completely untrue.

    According to the younger girl’s family she was bullied into a sexual relationship by an older teen, one which was not consensual and not mutual. Freshmen and seniors are not in the same peer group.

    • pazke

      According to the younger girls FAMILY. According to the younger girl, it was consensual.

    • becky21k

      How do you bully someone into a sexual relationship? If it’s a problem, you complain, you change schools, etc. – where were the parents then? Answer: they’re full of crap.

  • Kw

    My cousin got his life ruined because he was 18 and the consensual girl he was with was 16…..actions have consequences!! Deal with it, stupid people

    • pazke

      So because your cousin got his life ruined, everyone else should get their life ruined, too?

  • Icarus8

    It’s a very simple test. Do we (as a society) consider it acceptable for a 17-year-old male to commence a romantic relationship with a 14-year-old female and have sex with her when he’s 18 and she is 15? We’re basically talking senior guy sleeping with freshman girl here. It seems to me that’s probably right on (or over) the line of what most people would consider acceptable. (Certainly a senior with a 14-year-old eighth grader would be over the line.) That’s why there’s a law, because society has to draw the line somewhere. And it applies to an 18-year-old woman just as it would to an 18-year-old man.
    The relevant question is how will the prosecutor handle the case compared to the way 18-year-old men have been treated in the past? Given the circumstances, I would think it reasonable to offer the alleged offender a misdemeanor plea with probation and community service. But men have been hammered for this kind of offense before, so the claim that throwing the book at her proves an anti-guy bias is absurd. Roll the dice.

  • Brian Scavo

    leave the girl alone

  • Letsputeveryoneinprison

    Your country is seriously fucked.

  • Glen3

    Law enforcement has time to prosecute high school kids for dating each other? Yet when I have property crime issues they can never seem to be bothered because they are so ‘busy’.

  • Harper

    Let’s see. If a PRIEST has sex with a 15 year old, it’s unspeakably horrible. But a sweet, liberal thinking, innocent teenager gets a pass. Justice is not blind- it has politically corrected lenses.

  • pazke

    I’m afraid most of you are very naive. Fourteens year olds have sex all.the.time. I’m not saying it’s a wise choice, but my guess is she wasn’t coerced into anything. Now she’s just telling her parents what they want to hear to shift the punishment away from herself – like most 14 yo’s would.

  • krc123

    If she was an 18 year old male this would be considered rape. Gays want equal rights well this is a part of that package.

    • WallE

      I think you missed reading the part in the article where it said: “the
      younger girl’s family didn’t like it that their daughter was engaged
      in a same-sex relationship, and believed Kaitlyn had “made their
      daughter gay.” After Kaitlyn had turned 18 the family reported Kaitlyn to the
      police for statutory rape”.
      It’s
      anti-gay because of the prejudicial and spiteful reasons of the family
      for making the report… i.e. if an 18yo was doing their daughter they
      wouldn’t have had an issue.

  • Will45

    Did the two girls have sex? I thought statutory rape could only be filed if two people were to have intercourse… Or am I wrong?

  • 7RS

    I see people arguing against the consent age. The typical consent age for a female in the 1800′s was 10. Either Delaware or Maryland was 7. When women finally started getting the political power to force change there was a nationwide movement to get the age raised to 16 as a minimum and 18 as an ultimate goal.

    I’m going to assume that the same people arguing against this case and other cases of statutory rape would be the same taking full advantage of the consent laws of the 1800′s in the U.S. if allowed.

    There must be a line drawn somewhere.

  • WakeUp!

    Debate all you want too but what this girl did is ILLEGAL. End of argument

  • zandee

    This is ridiculous!! Its a shame she’s going to receive the damning label of “sex offender” Oh and kudos to the “victim’s” family they just alienated their daughter….Idiots.

  • Mike McBride

    Would there be as much outrage if it had been an 18 year old male with a 15 year old girl? It would be considered rape! This 18 year old can vote, she can enter into legally binding contracts, she do almost anything I can do as an adult. Most 18 year olds know that having sex with a 15 year old is a crime and choose not to engage in that activity. She decided to do so. Do the crime do the time.

  • A

    The only reason this is news is because they’re gay so now people can say they’re discriminated against. Law is law and if it isn’t legal for heterosexuals then it shouldn’t be legal for homosexuals. The law is in place to prevent older people from manipulating younger impressionable people, regardless of orientation. If at 18 my child dated a 15 year old, or my 15 year old dated an 18 year old, I wouldn’t accept it for a minute.

  • Jennifer Hazlett

    so…..the younger girl (as of now) is offically old enough to obtain a learners permit…you know because a 15 year old is TOTALLY mentally competent in terms of operating a ton+ machine at varying rates of speed and under many potential conditions….

    but…..shes not old enough to decide who she has sex with?

    makes total sense.

  • Q

    Of course this would be labeled as an ‘anti-gay’ issue. The fact remains that across this country there have been thousands of boys who have gone to jail and had to register for having sex with willing underage girls. Where is the outrage for them?? For all those people out there who scream ‘Equal Rights’ this is equal rights!! Don’t keep crying ‘anti-gay’ whenever its convenient for you!!

  • Justin Im

    I believe a lot of these cases are unfair (morally), but legally speaking, whether they are being scapegoated for being homosexual or not, the laws are clear and they (hopefully) were aware of the risks of being prosecuted when the girl was no longer a minor.

  • Tosheba

    Oh, come on. Everyone knows full well American females are never, ever, ever, ever held to the same high and strict legal standard to which men have been held for 1,000 years. The notion of gender equality is a pathetic, nauseating sham. Men go to jail, females go shopping. We’ve heard and seen it a thousand times before.

  • djhartm .

    ‘Lack of leniency’? What a bunch of BS!
    The LGBT community simply believes the rules don’t apply to them. If you claim otherwise, you’re labeled a ‘bigot’ or ‘homophobe’.
    Hypocrisy at its finest!
    I hope she gets jail time!

  • smwiam

    Three generations ago girls were considered marriageable when they could conceive. Young women unfortunate enough to get pregnant got married to the offender, often in front of a shotgun. Nostalgia, however never supersedes the law. The 18 year old is finding that out, perhaps as an example to her peers.

  • iamignorant

    i don’t think it can be classified as sex anyway. two chicks kissing and licking. there’s no penetration. give the kids a break. shoot, I’d be happy to have my daughter be gay because I would’t have to worry about some asshole beating the crap out of her and killing her. of course I would not feel the same about my son. that is just sick.

    • Kenneth Edward Polley

      So you have no problem if you find out someone licked and sucked on your son in school as long as he wasn’t penetrated? Say his freshman gym teacher, Mr. Waller?

  • Duncan

    The problem with all these arguments is that I have known several seniors that dated girls and boys 3-4 years younger than they were and faced no consequences because it was really a non-issue. The only reason the parents are pressing charges is because they think their daughter was ‘turned gay’. This was a 3 year age gap and that is honestly a drop in the bucket for any post-pubescent.

  • kenny gilbert

    Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 107 helpful votes

    If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

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    1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV / 54 helpful votes

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

    Leviticus 18:22 ESV / 52 helpful votes

    You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

    Romans 1:26-27 ESV / 48 helpful votes

    For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 32 helpful votes

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    1 Timothy 1:10 ESV / 29 helpful votes

    The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

    Romans 1:32 ESV / 19 helpful votes

    Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

    Romans 1:26 ESV / 17 helpful votes

    For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

    1 Corinthians 6:11 ESV / 14 helpful votes

    And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

    2 Corinthians 4:2 ESV / 11 helpful votes

    But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.

    Matthew 19:1-30 ESV / 11 helpful votes

    Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? …

    Leviticus 18:21-22 ESV / 10 helpful votes

    You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

    Jude 1:7 ESV / 9 helpful votes

    Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

    Ezekiel 5:11 ESV / 8 helpful votes

    Therefore, as I live, declares the Lord God, surely, because you have defiled my sanctuary with all your detestable things and with all your abominations, therefore I will withdraw. My eye will not spare, and I will have no pity.

    Proverbs 28:9 ESV / 8 helpful votes

    If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.

    2 Corinthians 5:17 ESV / 6 helpful votes

    Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

    Romans 1:27 ESV / 6 helpful votes

    And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV / 6 helpful votes

    There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

    1 John 4:20 ESV / 5 helpful votes

    If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ESV / 5 helpful votes

    Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

    Romans 5:8 ESV / 5 helpful votes

    But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Luke 16:15 ESV / 5 helpful votes

    And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

    James 4:12 ESV / 4 helpful votes

    There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

    Matthew 7:1-29 ESV / 4 helpful votes

    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. …

    Genesis 2:18-25 ESV / 4 helpful votes

    Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. …

    2 Peter 2:6-9 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    If by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,

    1 Peter 4:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes

    For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry.

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