• Tue, Mar 18 - 3:45 pm ET

Duke Porn Star Belle Knox Proves She’s More Mature Than Everyone On The View Berating Her

Belle Knox Duke Porn Star guest star on The View

The woman who goes publicly by Belle Knox, or the “Duke Porn Star,” has been through a lot. She’s been insulted, bullied, threatened, harassed, and concern-trolled, all on top of her original outing as an adult film star by the ultimate Mr. McDouche, Thomas Badgley, who thought it would be fun to get as many people as possible to verbally attack Knox by telling everyone at Duke what she does to pay her tuition. Now, Knox is being berated on television by people who are presumably adults while images of her adult films play on a loop in the background.

Belle Knox appeared on The View to talk about her decision (keyword: her) to enter the adult film industry in order to pay for the $60,000 per year tuition that Duke requires. Knox noted that “99% of families can’t afford $60,000 per year,” to which Walters immediately fired back, “But they don’t all support their daughters becoming porn stars, either.” Naturally, Barbara Walters asked why she didn’t do something…else. In the same intelligent, articulate way she explained her decision the first time–seriously, View people, do you read the Internet?–Knox told the hosts her reasoning.

“I’m 18 years old. I do not have a college degree. Any job I would’ve gotten simply would not have footed the bill for $60,000 a year.”

Oh, and for those of you assuming that working at, say, McDonald’s may have offered her “more dignity” and would have still paid for those tuition bills, minimum wage in North Carolina is 7.25 per hour. If she worked 40 hours a week 52 weeks per year, she would still only make $15,080…before taxes and living expenses. Considering Knox says she’s made 25 to 30 porn films for between $1000 to $1500 per movie, the amount she’s made so far from her chosen career could be anywhere from $25K to $45K.

Jenny McCarthy (who appeared in Playboy, BTW) then started asking how Knox could have started out as a “sweet, little, innocent girl,” as though she somehow knew her as a child.

“What happened that made you turn to porn? Was it an incident? Was it a thought? [Did] somebody refer you?”

Knox explained that she started watching it at age 12, as many adolescents do. Shocked, Barbara Walters literally asked, “Alone or with your parents?” which is so funny, ha-ha, because (A) child abuse is hi-larious and (B) if she watched porn at that age, it must have been shown to her by adults. You know, because children don’t use the Internet and can’t stumble across adult websites (yours truly also started exploring porn sites around that age and I assure you, nobody knew because I learned how to clear the history long before they would’ve found out).

Just that little question exemplifies the antiquated attitudes so many people have toward women who have sex for money. The savior complex (as our resident sex worker Cathryn has explained eloquently so many times) may have some underlying good intentions, but ultimately, all it does is increase the stigma surrounding women, sex and sex work. We would never hear these type of interview questions for somebody like James Deen, would we?

Anyway, Whoopi Goldberg at least asked one appropriate question regarding why Knox feels empowered, to which she responded:

“I’d like to first clarify that the idea of empowerment and degradation is completely subjective. And for me, I feel that, in this backdrop of our society where women are so often robbed of their sexual autonomy and are subjected to sexual violence in this backdrop of misogyny against women, it’s incredibly freeing and liberating to have that choice, to make decisions about my own body. And in porn, I’m in a safe, controlled environment where I set the boundaries, I set the rules.”

And there’s your reminder of why she got into Duke.

Walters gets real obnoxious once more by asking Knox if she plans on doing anything else with her life after college, to which Knox says she’ll continuing pursuing her porn career as well as becoming a civil rights lawyer for women. Sherri Shepherd then epitomizes the patronizing pseudo-feminist by claiming her “heart breaks,” but nobody’s listening at that point because Knox is somehow more intellectually stimulating than Shepherd or anybody else at the table.

Nothing needs to “happen to you” to make you want to do porn. You can have other goals, but you can also have porn as your entire goal. It’s totally up to you. Some people like being naked. Some people like having sex. Some people like being naked and having sex on camera. Is it really that hard to believe? Apparently, it is for The View, and I’m so disappointed that they would bother having such an intelligent young woman on their show only to berate and condescend her further.

Here, have a look:

[H/T Gawker]

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  • NYCNanny

    I love the “Nothing needs to happen to you” for you to do porn, (or sleep with tons of men, be GGG, be anything but vanilla, etc…) I have never done porn, but I have had more than a handful of men (whom I was sleeping with) if “something happened” to me when I was younger because now, in my mid twenties, I like rough sex with older men. NOPE. Nothing “happened”… I have never been assaulted, I had a great childhood with a close father-daughter relationship, and I have high self confidence. I just happen to get off on being lightly choked by a man twice my age. (I also find it hilarious that the men who have asked me that stupid q were the ones PERFORMING the sex acts… completely happy to act out these fantasies and sexual experiences. Nobody would EVER ask a man “Did something happen to you as a young boy to make you like being spanked in bed?…)

    End rant.

    • Samantha Escobar

      It’s just like how people assume if you simply don’t like sex whatsoever, something must’ve happened to you. You are not allowed to have sexual preferences and instincts that differ from the common idea of “normal” unless you’ve been assaulted, molested or traumatized in some other way. It’s absurd.

    • NYCNanny

      Yep. No, I wasn’t molested. I just really like anal. No, I was not raped by my dad, I just like men in their 40′s and 50′s because they’re sexier than 23 year olds. Deal with it, dudes.

    • Al

      “I just like men in their 40′s and 50′s because they’re sexier than 23 year olds.”

      Translation:
      “I like older men because they pay for my stuff”.

      But sure, rationalize it any way you want.

    • NYCNanny

      Al, I’ve never had an older man pay for anything other than dinner or drinks.
      Ps: I’m very financially independent and probably have more money than you.

    • Al

      “I’m very financially independent and probably have more money than you.”

      lol nope. And I know your type because I date whores like you.

    • NYCNanny

      Al, that’s not something to brag about. Dating younger women whom only like you for your $$. Sad.

    • Al

      Please brag more about how financially successful you are and all your imaginary businesses.

      Keep showing that insecurity. It’s really amusing.

    • Kit Kimberly

      Misogynist prick.

    • Al

      uhh insults. Ok gold digger if you’re butthurt I’m probably right.

      Now go demonize the thousands of females looking for sugar daddy’s on sites like seekingarrangement.

      Oh wait, those are just looking for “interesting males”.

      Slavatron – lol I’m not bitter at all. You’re an asshole and a retard for making that assumption. Mostly a retard actually.

    • ohtheirony

      Insults people then acts defensive when people insult him.

      Makes wild assumptions then complains when others make assumptions about him.

      See username…

    • Slavatron

      You’re an idiot to make that assumption and an asshole to assert it so confidently. Men in their 40′s and 50′s have lived longer and had more experiences than 23 year olds. This makes them smarter and more interesting; things that women find attractive

    • jhizzle

      Slavatron, you get my vote.

    • NYCNanny

      And his assumption is wrong. I’m not joking about making more $$ than him. I own 2 businesses and AM financially secure. But that’s besides the point. Oh well.

    • Slavatron

      P.S. I’m a heterosexual male in my 20′s. Maybe if you took some time to understand the variety of things women find attractive, you would not be so bitter and misogynistic.

    • Joe Kehoe

      as a 48 yo man i couldn’t agree more lol and id love to fuck your tight dirty asshole

    • Jayjay

      That’s such a good point! Why must a woman have had a harmful experience to express herself sexually in a way that it is assumed a man would do having had no such experience??? People still have victorian views of female sexuality, i swear!

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    • Frederick TheReckless Wilcox

      That and no one ever seems to ask, “Did something happen to you as a child that made you enjoy choking women nearly half your age?”

      Because my answer would be, “No, I heard about it, tried it, liked it. Why is this so hard for you to wrap your tiny mind around?”

      And again, nothing needs to happen to you for you to want to do porn, I fully agree. I get the same damn question about the porn I do/have done. It gets old, fast.

    • Goody Weaver

      Well, I would rather have people watching this woman, who at least has made a genuine choice to be in porn – I don’t really care what she does. But what bothers me about the whole discussion is the fact that no one brings up the fact that there are thousands of women in porn who do NOT have a real choice – the porn industry is a disgusting, violent, abusive industry that takes advantage of the most vulnerable, abused, impoverished people in society. Girls like this Duke student are rare – most porn is low-budget garbage, and the stuff produced in other countries especially is often linked to sex trafficking. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – there is way more concern from progressives about buying a factory-farmed chicken than using porn made under god-knows-what conditions. I’m surprised Barbara Walters didn’t bring that up, because that’s where the real discussion should be – who cares what some college student who is making a whole bunch of money does?

    • Wagnerian_thrice

      “the porn industry is a disgusting, violent, abusive industry that takes advantage of the most vulnerable, abused, impoverished people in society.”

      Where are you getting this? I worked in porn, and there was no dearth at all of people who wanted to be models. Not a single person was forced to do anything. It’s a good job that pays alright! That’s why people want to be a part of it. You say that ‘thousands of women’ do not have a choice to be working in porn, but you are pulling that out of your ass. There’s nothing true about that statement at all.

    • Goody Weaver

      I mean, seriously…. I’m “getting this” from months of research I did for my master’s degree, but I suppose I could ignore that and just believe some random commenter on a message board that porn is just a “good job!”…

    • Wagnerian_thrice

      Oh yeah, I’m sure that your ‘months’ of COMPLETELY UNBIASED (feminist?) research for your masters degree completely trumps the actual lived experience of all of us who have worked in the sex industry for decades.

    • Goody Weaver

      Lol…yeah, sure, whatever you say. LOVE your attack on feminism there. Here’s a little education for you on why research is more valid than your opinion. It’s more valid because it doesn’t rely on ONE person’s random opinion – good research relies on the collective data of hundreds or thousands of individuals, which allows researchers to reach general conclusions. Sometimes these conclusions are right, sometimes they aren’t. But they’re a far better barometer than what one random stranger says on the comments section of an article.

    • Wagnerian_thrice

      You are, in fact, a random stranger to me. That said, my experience in the sex industry is valid, and I’m not referring to just my own. If you truly had done your research, you would have also seen the small mountain of work that doesn’t pathologize the experience of people who work in porn. When one actually talks to sex workers instead of talking for them one comes to different conclusions.

      It is a truism that illogical attacks on sex workers and the sex industry often come from feminism as well as their sometimes butt buddies on the religious right. My comment was a question. To posit a mere question as an ‘attack’ is classic bad-feminism. The kind that sex workers are beyond tired of. Take your false concern and victim-projection and shove that all up your ass.

    • Goody Weaver

      “Butt buddies?” Whatever, dude. You’re a “sex worker” as much as I’m a purple canary. We can agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

    • Wagnerian_thrice

      Wow. So, the issue here is that you don’t believe that I myself am a sex worker, therefore what I’m saying is false. Well, I don’t need to defend my experience. Whatever the case , if you had actually done legitimate research where you actually talked and listened to people in the sex industry, you would have come up with different conclusions other than this victim-dreck you came up with.

      Screw this ‘we can agree to disagree. I want you people and your stupid false research to die. Your bad research effects my life negatively more than it does yours. It amps up the criminal justice system, it creates stigma and poverty. It is scourge on the world.

    • ConcernedReader

      Goody, Your tone is extremely condescending and needs work. Just because you have your Master’s does not give you the right to diminish his/her experience.

      As for Wagnerian, not all feminists believe that porn is degrading. I am a feminist and I believe that women – if they make the choice to do porn – should be able to do sex work without scorn because they made the decision to do it.

      So long as basic human rights are respected.

    • BDC0213

      Goody- me again. I’m taking in the back and forth between you and Wagnerian and figure there’s some truth in both points of view- as always. Maybe if you could cite some of your research, it would be helpful.

      I would imagine, however, the research methods would lend themselves to criticism. How you go about obtaining a truly representative “sample” of porn performers/sex workers to start? You’re going to get vastly different responses depending on the population. Ex-US non-profits surely commission or collaborate research that furthers their aims and might sample women in shelters/rehab/safe houses. Compare this to the responses you’d get sampling women who showed up for a studio audition in LA. I can think of many other difficulties interpreting research on this topic, and if it was my research project, I’d only trust my own primary research. Did you conduct any primary research when working on your Master’s?

      I’m sure there is a lot of nasty sex trafficking going on and women forced into performing for the camera, especially outside the US. But, I surmise this comprises a small fraction of porn available online. I’d be open to data suggesting otherwise.

    • Derek Diaz

      That would be true if you knew how to do math. Most women have a problem with math – don’t ya know?

      Also, feminist have a particularly low IQ, even when corrected for being a woman. So, there is little hope that you were able to compile the data and analyze it successfully.

      Ultimately, that other poster’s n-1 data set that spanned decades is wholly superior to yours – no matter how long you took to work toward your degree in women’s studies or other equally venerable toilet paper degree.

    • baby girl child

      now, I dont understand why both of you can’t be correct. Just like literally ANY mass industry, there can be great practices and there can be abusive ones. But dont take my word for it, here is a composite of instances where the porn industry has been corrupt…..
      http://wocinsolidarity.tumblr.com/post/80095126803/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based

    • Wagnerian_thrice

      Y’know some questionable stories (Linda Lovelace, Hello!), do not represent the industry and what the far majority of it is, or what it’s common practices are.

      That said, it is a massive industry, and like any industry there are definitely stories of worker exploitation which are true.

    • baby girl child

      right, and I mean, i really like porn, i watch it…a lot. This is coming from a feminist woman. I just dont think its beneficial to anyone to ignore those who may be suffering. Is there a union? I mean I worked in places that were retail and underwent sexual harassment from my boss and was afraid to make anything of it because its on your record and will affect your future work. its everywhere, ya know? Is there a place for porn actors to explain whether or not they feel safe with specific talent or directors without being shunned from future work? I’m just curious, i have no idea…

    • Michael Rowe

      People ask men questions like that all the time, especially gay men.

    • Wagnerian_thrice

      Yes they do!

    • NYCNanny

      Oh totally true. My best friend (gay) gets this from men all the time!!! It’s ridiculous.

  • PreciousLostThings

    Good on this girl for getting into Duke in the first place, because it’s not easy. Good on her for figuring out a way to pay her tuition herself. And good on her for her patience and eloquence in dealing with all the bullshit she’s having to have thrown at her by other people over what she chooses to do with HER life.

    • Samantha Escobar

      Right? There are so many people criticizing her for being a “dumb slut” when, uh, she clearly got into fucking Duke and makes nearly as much money as the average college graduate at age 18.

    • Bob Genghis Khan

      The average college graduate serves the community, they’re not getting jizzed on at FacialAbuse.com while simultaneously setting your gender back another 20 years and claiming to promote women’s’ rights.

      But “good on her”, right? She’s a role model for little girls everywhere.

      This has got to be a fucking joke.

    • A

      And why are you implying that any one particular woman needs to be a role model? Is it because traditionally women have not been treated as equals in society? Do you think women have to prove themselves to be accepted?

      Women aren’t going to be accepted by trying to be perfect and never doing anything controversial. We’re the ones who need to change.

    • Chad Busch

      why do girls need a role model? cant they find some confidence in there own selves?

    • casey

      How did you find that site btw??? Who is in the so called wrong, you, me, and those that watch it? Or the guy that likes to jizz on the face of either a female or male? in my opinion any consensual sexuality is appropriate, and those that don’t like are usually just jealous or in denial!

    • Kit Kimberly

      Please. The “average college graduate” in the US is looking to make as much money as possible doing as little work as possible — and if she went to Duke, paying off ridiculously high loans.

      How is porn any less of a “community service” than making, marketing, selling and buying useless commodities that have little to no intrinsic value and just clutter up our world? Which is what MOST people do anyway– or rather most “nice” people.

      Women’s sexual liberation is one (I personally think it’s THE) most important element of women’s rights. Without it, we’re not actually liberated.

      And sexual liberation means being able to decide what WE want to do with our bodies.

    • PinkyTuscadero

      Here’s the thing: you act as if our individual “choice” is not influenced by society. you must consider the fact that women like this one might ultimately be making “choices” that reinforce women’s sexual subjugation. how convenient it would be if, in a culture that needs women as objects to empower men and sell products, women participate willingly because they are convinced/ convince themselves that this is freedom. (that is to say, in duke speak, you raise the vexing problem of agency and experience, or structure if you are a materialist. the entire epistemological foundation of the notion of “individual” and “choice” rests on enlightenment philosophy that superficially promotes equality while smuggling in social relations of hierarchy because of the exclusionary ontology of the sovereign subject. any post modern feminist could tell you that. duh.) Go Heels.

    • Slavatron

      Why do you think that there’s something wrong with her working for a site that specializes in rough sex and humiliation? Did you know that the people who most often like to be humiliated sexually are CEOs, politicians and other types of powerful men?

    • Wagnerian_thrice

      So… women getting jizzed on = setting back women’s rights? I think this says more about your lack of respect for women, and their choices, than it does the women who work in the sex industry.

      Misogyny is when you freak out because women are sexual beings.

    • Dude

      Bob’s right on this one. Facialabuse is pretty ill even for Porn. It was prolly more respectful ways to even do porn, like being a webcam model or something.

    • jimbrowski

      Keep in mind, she has already stopped attending Duke (is “on a break” for now) and is now aligning herself to make a career out of porn. It’s a slippery slope and she’s begun sliding. Here’s hoping for her best.

    • PreciousLostThings

      I guess you could call it a “slippery slope.” I suppose it’s also possible that she has discovered that she really likes doing porn and does want to focus on it as a career. Lots of college kids start freshman year planning one career, and end up totally changing their minds. I think she’s smart enough to know that this kind of notoriety is something with an expiration date, though, and she’s trying to spin the situation she’s found herself in to make more money for her future. And I’m sure she wasn’t planning on some asshole at her school outing her, or the media circus her life has become because of what he did. Duke is a religious private school full of snotty rich kids…I don’t imagine her school atmosphere is very comfortable right now for her. I don’t suppose I blame her for taking a “break” from that, while her face is in the news and she’s getting vilified by the airheads of “the View.”

    • Chad Busch

      not gonna stop people from checking her gams anyway bad publicity can be the best

    • Kit Kimberly

      Duke is not a religious school. Neither its doctrine nor its finances are founded in any religious belief or institution.

    • paratrooper_us

      Probably part of the reason that she has taken a “break” from Duke, is because some moron outed her. He should have minded his own business, been an adult and kept his mouth shut. Sooner or later she would have been found out, but then you have these kids now a days that have no concept of minding your own business and not ridiculing others because they have a belief different than theirs. Essentially, it was a bunch of mindless, greater than thou, morons, that essentially bullied her out of Duke.

      I do not know if I would want my daughter to do porn, but I would like to believe that if I had a daughter and that is the career she chose, I would be man enough to accept it, love her no less and support her 100%.

    • Samantha Escobar

      Agreed on hoping for her best, but I will say that I don’t think I would want to return to a school where people were threatening me–at least not until stuff died down. It would scare the crap out of me, to be honest. :(

    • Corrine

      Exactly! She is being told that she’s going to pretty much have a fist fight to make it to her 9 am class. Any people are blaming her for not going? Balogna. If I were being threatened for an entirely legal job I had outside of school, I’d probably take a break for a semester as well. Hopefully the double major her outer is taking stresses him out. Or someone trips him in the hall. What a jerk. On the plus side, she’s making some people happy, all he’s ever done is attempt to ruin a freshman’s life. I say ruin because I am confident that this won’t phase such a strong young lady in the long run.

    • MRMR

      Yeah, if she’s on a “break”, it’s because people who are condemning her for daring to be publicly sexual are sending her death threats, and saying how they’d like to rape her. Oh, but she deserves that, right? Deserved to be threatened with bodily harm, because fuck her, she’s not human?

    • GraceFaith Janet

      Erm she had offers of scholarships at other good universities where she would not have had to pay a penny. She is not exactly victimless she clearly stated that she enjoyed watching other women being abused not cool. No one would really give a toss what she does in her own time but comments like its empowering and she loves porn more than anything in the porn really get the masses going. As for people harrassing her most of them watch porn and are only treating her the way porn has programmed them to treat her

    • Corrine

      She said she liked watching porn. Not watching other women be “abused.” Porn hasn’t programmed all of the assholes, necessarily, who are threatening her. There’s a ton of porn that has scenes in it with no resemblance to abuse. You might look into it. The Hollywood film “Original Sin” with Angelina Jolie gives you an idea.

  • Lindsey Conklin

    I think she is incredibly well spoken and eloquent.

    • Samantha Escobar

      Agreed! :)

    • Bob Genghis Khan

      Me too.

    • Marcellus

      I think she sounds like a valley girl who uses the words “like” and “um” in place of pauses.

  • Dave

    Nothing “empowering” about facial abuse porn.

    • Samantha

      ‘shup.

    • noodlestein

      For myself, I would agree. However, SHE clearly doesn’t agree, and since she’s the one preforming, she gets to decide. Just because you don’t think it’s empowering doesn’t mean that it’s not. It’s almost like…people have different opinions about stuff! Weird.

    • Al

      This whole thing is free publicity for her. Whether it was a deliberate decision or a happy accident to defend it as “empowering” that’s helped her get more exposure than most people in the porn industry.

      On how many interviews has she been now? How many networks? I read somewhere she’s currently the most successful female porn star so she’ll stick to that story as long as it keeps earning her money.

      Weird how you never see porn stars saying how empowering it is.

    • GraceFaith Janet

      She is lying to herself pure and simple I saw her casting couch video the amount of pain and humiliation she put on herself is crazy!! There is no way she enjoyed it absolutely no way she can pretend afterwards. The only way many porn stars are able to cope with these scenes is to take drugs and alcohol. The only one getting empowered are the pornographers. End of

  • Elizabeth Aspen

    One of the many problems with this – her decision – is that where does she go from here? She’s whoring herself out to pay for college tuition, and yet, after she gets her degree, does she seriously believe she’s actually going to be offered a job in whatever field her degree is in? How many legitimate companies really want to hire a former porn star to work in their offices or represent them to their clients? I certainly wouldn’t. And I wouldn’t want my bosses or clients to be able to google my name and jerk off to me ten minutes before they’re supposed to come to a meeting. There’s a reason porn people get no respect – because what they are doing is not respectable. You can bring up feminism all you want, it doesn’t change anything. I hardly call any of her decisions so far “empowering”, since she’s not smart enough to think much of her future. Even if she hadn’t been outed, video lasts forever and this could never be hidden permanently. Sorry, but chickie has screwed herself in more ways than one.

    • http://sarahhollowell.com/ Sarah Hollowell

      So if you had someone who was intelligent, hard-working, and qualified apply for a job, you wouldn’t hire them JUST because they had done porn? Even if they were far better for the job than any of your other applicants?

      I’m sorry, I think that says far more about you than it does about her.

    • Yep

      Sorry to burst your bubble Sarah but there have been plenty of women from various occupations that have been fired and denied jobs due to their sexually public past.

    • http://sarahhollowell.com/ Sarah Hollowell

      Oh I’m sorry, is the fact that it’s happened supposed to make it okay? Is that supposed to make it something that we shouldn’t argue against or fight?

    • CT

      Life choices like porn get more and more widely acceptable as time goes on (regardless of your personal opinion). Your argument sounds like something my mom would say, but my mom isn’t hiring people anymore- but I am, and I wouldn’t care as long as she could do the job. Times change, and you’re on the wrong side of history on this one.

    • jackystjames

      Sorry, Elizabeth but plenty of “clients” have jacked off to plenty of people they’ve sat alongside at meetings. Not just their “former porn star” coworker. If a client is so narrow minded that they can only think about a porno they watched, than the work at hand, then perhaps the person not worthy of a job is THE CLIENT.

      And, everyone deserves respect, even narrow minded people, like yourself.

  • Jayjay

    Great piece!!! And $60,000 a year, wtf?! I had to read that twice to make sure I’d read it right.

    • Ally

      That’s not a big sum of money…any first year trades man will make at least $100k. So it’s not like this was ‘her only option’, and it’s not like it helped her that much financially since she still can barely pay for a year of school. Saying she did it for the money makes no sense to me since the money is mediocre to say the least. However, if she enjoys the work, is happy, and she feels she’s making enough for the type of work she’s doing then good for her. She’s well spoken and I’m glad she’s trying to create a more positive image of women in porn.

    • Crayzcheshire

      maybe also she just WANTED to do porn ya know?

    • Samantha Escobar

      I think the commenter may have been referring to the $60K tuition if I’m not mistaken, not her salary!

    • jimbrowski

      Six figures for entry level tradesmanship? That’s absurdly incorrect.

    • Jade-Yue-Ryu

      Understatement. Unless you are going into design that is hardly the basic salary.

    • Ally

      I politely disagree. Rig welders in Wyoming make anywhere from $60/hr and upwards. Working no overtime you make a least $125k, but most work way more. If you work hard, you make great money and you don’t need to go to Duke or suck dick on camera to make that kind of money.

    • MRMR

      Uhmmmm… MAYBE SHE DIDN’T WANT TO BE A FLIPPIN’ RIG WELDER! WTF, are you really serious? Well, she could’a taken up a trade! OK, but let’s entertain the crazy idea that maybe, just maybe THAT’S NOT SOMETHING SHE LIKES OR WANTS.

    • Chris Hugh

      LOL. Awesome reply. I imagine this young lady could do well at anything she turns her hand to, but it’s just possible she doesn’t want to be a rig welder:-). But the other commenter also makes a good point that there are important, well-paying jobs that don’t require a $240,000 degree. Love her or hate her, this girl has started an excellent dialog.

    • Joshua Barrett

      Yes and of course everyone can become Rig welders in Wyoming. Obviously if you know that Rig welders in Wyoming make that much, they all do. I’m sure Rig welding jobs also are very flexible with a busy Duke schedule.

  • Alexandra Mitchell

    I understand the question about her getting into porn because I know, having studied victimology and human trafficking, it is sometimes that the victim gets pushed into doing porn. People tend to assume actors don’t do porn willingly, which is obviously false. That being said, she’s completely right. She’s an adult and if she wants to do porn, more power to her! She is at liberty to do with her body what she wants. I wish more people got that idea.

  • lunacatd

    Sounds to me like Belle Knox would be a far more interesting,
    intelligent addition as a host to The View than their current false
    diversity model. How about it Barbara Walters? How about adding Ms Knox
    to your table an getting rid of the dead weight that are Jenny McCarthy
    and Sherry Sheppard neither of which can think their way out of wet
    paper bag.

  • scallywag

    Many of us can arguably disagree with choosing to pursue pornography to pay our way through or afford a college education, and many of us can wonder whether Belle Knox’s feminist views of empowerment hold firm in a field that by definition, denigrates women, and many of us can wonder if it has all now gone beyond needing to pay bills to stay afloat and instead becoming a cult personality in high demand (never mind the new fees she receives) but we ought to ask what is it about our society’s class mobility that allows some of us to feel that we if are to get ahead we have to subject ourselves to ‘mortifying acts?’

    Then again that’s the crux, for Belle Knox there is no shame, no regress and just personal triumph that she can get ahead, make her money, get seen and perhaps force a reconsideration of why society should ever judge her in the first place.

    So what is it then about what this young woman has chosen to do that continues to vex so many and why are we as a society so hung about it? Why are we in shame about class structure or is that just what a clever argument a self entitled exceptional promoter has us thinking???

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/03/belle-knox-defended-by-duke-alumni-its-about-class-mobility/

  • Abi

    Call me a heartless misogynist all you want,but when you do porn that is all over the internet,don’t be pissed when a guy from school finds out and tells everyone. YOU put yourself out there. Of course I don’t think she deserves all the nasty messages,but obviously she didn’t think this plan out very well. She’s studying to be a lawyer,and what kind of respectable firm would hire someone with a background in very degrading pornography that practically encourages rape culture? For gods sake,a teacher was fired from her job after her students found the porn she did years ago. Best of luck to her,but this will come back and bite her in the ass soon after her 15 minutes of fame are up.

    • JLH1986

      I do a lot of hiring. I work for a law firm. The truth of the matter is, if someone is honest and up front about their past it’s not necessarily a no go. It’s when they lie etc. Also a teacher dealing with kids is very different than an adult dealing with other adults. And she seems intelligent enough to use this “15 minutes” to her advantage. Because people want attorneys they’ve heard of, and firms want people who bring in clients. I think she’ll land on her feet.

    • Lia

      But what about the police officers,coaches and even one surgical technician who were fired for doing porn? Just because you would hire her regardless of her background in porn doesn’t mean others would.

    • JLH1986

      I agree in certain fields she would suffer greatly. But since she wants to be an attorney, I can speak from 11 years in the legal field. I do not believe her porn history will impact her ability to find a job as an attorney. Other fields she would absolutely suffer. Not all firms will hire her. Other firms will happily.

    • Samantha Escobar

      Thanks for your input! My favorite thing is when people with actual expertise throw in their .2.

    • Kit Kimberly

      Why should she be different from any other smart, ambitious woman, who will deal with all kinds of misogynist bullshit from dickheads like you (and a gazillion more) because we live in a misogynistic, patriarchal society?

      Hers is pornography, another’s is being raped, another’s, domestic violence; another women was sexually harassed, took her harassers to court, and got blackballed.

      Please. No matter WHAT women do, you fucks are going to fuck us so we may as well do what we want.

  • angryfem77

    Arrgggh If this were a male porn star they wouldn’t have asked ANY of those questions. Why does there have to be something “wrong” with a woman to want to have sex? Who cares if it’s for pleasure, love, or money. As long as she’s consenting and happy with her choices everyone else should just mind their own business.

  • philadelphia artist

    I Actually like her statements about being empowered etc. because Usually in porn it seems that the female is really the one calling the shots etc.and laying down the groundrules etc.
    I really wish that if she was trying to make her points and educate people..she did it with any of the 1000s of OTHER companies other than ‘facial abuse’ where the guys in the vids are constantly calling the girls names, abusing them etc. (I’ve Literally seen 2 or 3 vids where the girls really were crying and they had to stop.)
    It’s Actually THE Site I tell people about where porn crossed the line to what some think porn is..jerks belittling women and using and abusing them etc.

    • BDC0213

      I was feeling the same way until I read some pieces from women who enjoy this type of thing.

  • Jesse Markus

    Great article, and I agree with everything you said. But do y’all got proofreaders at The Gloss? Because “nobody’s listening at that point because Knox somehow more intellectually stimulating that Shepherd or anybody else” is like seriously whaaaaa?

  • DEB

    I love how they express such shock at Belle for having started watching porn at age 12. That’s NOTHING. Most boys (and girls) are watching porn wayyyy earlier, especially in the internet age. I myself started at age 10. Women are socialized not to want to watch porn, or to have sexual preferences at all, really. When we express them, that automatically means that we’re “slutty” or “easy” or that “something must have happened to us.”

    • Goody Weaver

      If you are watching strangers have sex at the age of 12, yeah, something happened to you. That’s not normal, and is certainly not healthy for a pre-pubescent child. Not because there’s something wrong with sex, but because it is simply NOT AGE APPROPRIATE. God. Sometimes I’m ashamed to be a liberal.

    • devovit

      “If you are watching strangers have sex at the age of 12, yeah, something happened to you. That’s not normal.”

      Yes, biology teaches us that teenagers have absolutely no interest in or curiosity about sex whatsoever until they reach the age of consent and then *POOF* magically it materializes as though a stork had dropped a bundle of hormones on the front door mat. Ditto periods – what 12 year old has ever had a period, amirite?

      Anyone who is interested in sex or engages in masturbation before they turn 18 is sick in the head and was probably molested.

      Hereby I declare that all sex ed classes should be restructured so that instead of teaching kids about anatomy there should just be a teacher at the front of the class responding to any and all questions by shrieking, “You want to know about sex? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU FREAK?!”

    • Goody Weaver

      You completely misunderstood what I was saying (I hope unintentionally). I don’t mean that being curious about sex, masturbating, even engaging in sexual play with peers isn’t normal. That is absolutely NOT what I am saying. I am saying that is NOT AGE APPROPRIATE or a positive for a 12 year old’s development to watch grown adults (especially strangers) having sex in front of them. I fully support 12 year old kids being allowed to develop healthy and positive sexuality – but I sure as hell don’t believe that watching adult porn is the gateway to that. Especially if they stumble upon porn that involves violence against women. If you think that’s how 12 year olds should learn about sex, more power to you, but I think you are absolutely, without a doubt WRONG.

    • devovit

      So you think that children should watch child pornography instead? I’m… not sure that’s a great solution.

      Sorry, but the credibility of your statement that 12 year olds should be allowed to develop their sexuality went out of the window rrright about here:

      “If you are watching strangers have sex at the age of 12, yeah, something happened to you. That’s not normal.”

      That’s the point where you put judgement directly on any 12 year-olds who seek out pornography and declared that they’re freaks who were probably abused, because what other reason would a 12 year-old have for wanting to watch porn?

      Man, I’d love to see you handling kids of that age. “You’ve been watching that scene from Titanic where Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet do it in the car? That’s disgusting. Go next door and play with little Jimmy’s cock like a normal child.”

    • BDC0213

      Maybe the “If you are watching strangers have sex at the age of 12, yeah, something happened to you. That’s not normal..” should be retracted or re-stated.

      If memory serves, pretty much every friend I had at that age (10, 11, 12) would try to get their hands on dirty magazines or movies (no interwebs in the late 80s). I don’t think “something” happened to all of us to make us do this. Rather, I think it was normal curiosity about sex.

      No one is saying that curiosity should be completely accommodated by giving children full purview of everything out there.

    • Goody Weaver

      Again, I am not saying it’s the children’s curiosity that is abnormal – it’s the willingness of adults to expose children to material that is not age-appropriate that I don’t believe is normal or ok. Of course children want to sneak adult materials out of curiosity – it’s the job of adults to prevent this as much as possible, especially when we’re talking about very young adolescents like 12 year olds. And yes, as a kid in the 80′s, I saw some dirty magazines at a friend’s house, and as an older teenager, I saw a little porn on VHS (the porn version of Star Trek is one I recall in particular…lol). But I’d say that was extremely tame compared to the stuff that is online now. I am an adult, and I have accidentally seen really horrible stuff when I wasn’t even looking for porn – stuff I NEVER saw prior to the existence of the internet (like an image of a woman defecating into a man’s mouth linked from a site about politics), so I’m really concerned about the unfettered access to materials that most parents would NEVER want their children to see. We are absolutely not doing enough to protect kids – and I don’t mean this in a shrill “Oh, think of the CHILDREN!” way – I mean this as someone who wants to see all kids develop into healthy adults with healthy attitudes about sex. I don’t think watching adults sh!t on each other will help a 12 year old do that. JMO.

    • BDC0213

      I agree with you. I, too, wonder about the impact some of this material might have on children. (And adults for that matter.)

      I’m a parent to a 5-year-old, I don’t want my daughter thinking that she’s expected to allow sexual partners to slap her, call her degrading names, and all sorts of other things I’ll leave unsaid but that you can find in all sorts of movies. Unless she wants that, of course.

      That gets me to what I’ve found interesting about this ongoing discussion of Belle Knox! On one hand, it could be argued that much porn does women a disservice in its portrayal of us. The viewer sees women turned on by being gagged, slapped, gang banged, etc. All this is so common in porn, it might start to seem mainstream or “normal” (and women/girls may feel pressured to conform and men/boys come to expect it and are disappointed if their real-life partner isn’t game). It’s kind of a corollary to all the media representations of women’s bodies, I guess: sexy women are size 2 (says fashion mags) and love jizz in the face (says porn).

      On the other hand, intelligent and mature people do a pretty good job separating reality from TV; all the trappings of the analogy to violence in movies/video games apply. More interestingly though, I’m reconsidering that above described portrayal and coming to understand that some women of sound mind and body like sex that appears degrading, shameful and downright painful to me. No doubt, performers are trying to make a living, but I’m pleased to know that some, if not most, don’t participate in scenes that make them uncomfortable. (In a recent interview, Belle Knox acknowledged that there was one video she regrets).

      So no, I don’t want the children to mistakenly encounter “horrible” stuff, but on a personal level, I’m trying to not think about things in those terms anymore.

    • Kit Kimberly

      Yes, because throughout the last several hundred thousand years of human existence, parents and couples have ALWAYS had private rooms where they could have sex away from the prying eyes of their and other children.

      NOT. HELLO. WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN?

    • Goody Weaver

      It would be far too boring to explain to you how that is totally NOT the same thing AT. ALL.

    • Kit Kimberly

      The idea of privacy and especially intimacy in private is extremely new in human existence — until 100 years ago or even less, ONLY the super rich and privileged have had that possibility.

      And even the aristocracy was subject to public “beddings”.

      If it hasn’t hurt children to see consenting adults (and even teenagers I would guess) having sex for hundreds of thousands of years, I don’t suppose the act in itself is something traumatising: Else we’d be a whole species in the throes of PTSD.

      But the US was founded at least in part by Puritans, and their uptight prudery lives on. *sigh*

    • Goody Weaver

      Your whole argument makes absolutely no sense. First of all, it is anthropologically incorrect – even in hunter-gatherer communities, adults generally seek out SOME level of privacy for sex. While they may not have the level of privacy we have in western culture, the norm has NEVER been to start screwing under bright light in front of children. It’s just not.

      Second, my entire point is that there is a healthy level of sexual intimacy for children to be exposed to, and what you describe – exposure to the fact that this is something adults do, that it is enjoyable, that it results in pregnancy, combined with the child’s ability to observe the entire relationship between the adults in question, ramifications of behavior, etc – THAT is healthy. My argument is not that children should not be exposed to ANY sex AT ALL. My argument is that sex as presented in pornography – between strangers, without context, and in its current form often involving violence – sometimes extreme violence – against women – is NOT a healthy way for children to learn about sex or to try to understand sex as a part of human existence. I am not saying that seeing porn is going to give a kid PTSD – I am saying that viewing porn is not a healthy activity for a 12 year old. That’s all. Period. I am not speaking about sexuality outside that comment – there is PLENTY that is sexually appropriate and healthy for kids of all ages, and it varies by age. I find the entire fact that I have to argue with people that watching porn is not good for children absolutely, patently bizarre and disturbing. I am hardly puritan – I’ve happily lived in communes with polyamorous people who had orgies (though I was in a monogamous relationship and did not participate), so it’s not that I have some puritan view of sex.

      Third, using sick European aristocracy as an example of normal sexuality is simply bizarre, and does not apply to 99% of reality. That system had virtually nothing to do with sex and everything to do with a hierarchical system meant to preserve their precious “bloodlines.”

    • Kit Kimberly

      The main reason seeing sex traumatises children is b/c of other adults’ attitudes: The child sees/hears the adults’ horror, and is then horrified. Sex is a perfectly normal activity that children saw from birth every day (in agrarian and pre-agrarian societies) in non-human animals AND in humans for thousands of years. In plenty of cultures, child sex play is perfectly normal.

      As far as “sex as presented in pornography” goes, it depends on the pornography. I looked at my father’s Playboys and read Little Annie Fannie from the time I was 3.5 years (when I started to read) and it never caused me a bit of problems.

      Well, except to make me extremely intolerant of US Americans uptight anti-sex prudery. So great to have lived in Europe for so many years, where this sort of puritanism is cause for rolled eyes and shaking heads.

    • BDC0213

      I’ve had a back and forth with Goody as well, but if you listen, I think you’ll find more agreement than disagreement. There is nothing in her recent qualification (3 paragraphs that ended with “bloodlines”) to which I disagree. The initial post came off the wrong way and included a misstatement. But, she’s talking about keeping “extreme” and violent images away from kids.
      So, if you have the time and inclination, take a look at the redacted video GraceFaith Janet put up (below-at least on my computer). I’m cautious about excerpts, but you get the idea. This is along the lines of other stuff on their site.

      I point this out because I think it informs our conversation much better if we all know what, exactly, we’re talking about…or in my case, defending. It’s a small minority who oppose pornography in general and Goody isn’t one of them.

    • Kit Kimberly

      OK, thanks BDC, for moderating ;-)
      She seems to think, however, that children seeing sex acts is immoral or problematic in and of itself.
      Just trying to point out that children have been seeing (and in some cultures, even imitating) sex acts for many, many millennia, and if that were the issue, humans would be a LOT more messed up (and especially simple societies, which we know are NOT hung up and neurotic) than they are.
      Appreciate your effort though.

    • GraceFaith Janet

      Plus her history of self harm. Looks likely someone abused her or she was bullied at school. She has a low self esteem i saw a censored version of her casting couch video and she looks to be in serious pain : she is lying when she says she enjoys this : https://vimeo.com/89525292

    • Makayla

      WTF is wrong with you? Are you saying that those who self-harms, were abused, and were bullied are freaks and should be shamed? FUCK YOU. My sister has severe Bipolar Disorder, and I would punch you if you try to insinuate that her self-harm and hyper-sexuality is HER fault.

      FUCK YOU.

  • FemelleChevalier

    I don’t like the “Alone or with your parents?” question. You’re right, she’s implying abuse. Like, seriously? She’s treating the porn-watching bit like an isolated case and can only be associated with abuse; that’s a bit unfair to parents all over.

    Barbara could’ve asked something else that wouldn’t make her judgmental. But since the whole interview’s theme is “judgmental”, maybe she was in the right track.

    • GraceFaith Janet

      However, in studies it has been found that 60 percent porn stars have been sexually abused in their childhood.

    • FemelleChevalier

      That is neither here nor there. The subject I presented is about the implication of porn-watching based on purely empirical evidence, which Barbara seems to cling on.

      I was pointing out that her question is a tad presumptuous. Porn-watching at an early age CAN be a case of subjective correlation to probable abuse, but it is definitely NOT an absolute causation. It’s illogical to assume so.

    • BDC0213

      That might not even be statistically significantly different from the female population at large.

    • Empress Theodora

      Where’s the studies? Where’s the statistics? Show ‘em, lady.

  • Tammy Blakely

    Now she can afford a nose job!!!

    • Go Grl

      Maybe she can loan you some money for a personality transplant.

    • Tammy Blakely

      SORRY SWEETHEART shes saving that for YOU!!

  • JLH1986

    In situations like this I would have thought Jenny McCarthy would have been a little more understanding and less judgmental. Considering McCarthy took her clothes off for money (which for some people isn’t a far leap from porn) and has admitted in her books that she has done copious amounts of various drugs. Given the back lash McCarthy got, one would assume she would a little less “but WHAT HAPPENED?” A grown woman made a decision to have sex on video for money. It’s all consensual and she’s hurting no one. Why is this an issue at all?

  • Jeff Delagado

    Wow. This chick is way cool….. She knows herself and doesn’t care what others think.

  • Melissa

    I feel as though if I were being asked those same questions I certainly wouldn’t haven’t answered them so calmly and eloquently and would have probably ended up raging. Seriously everyone clapping because star jones’ heart is breaking? Shouldn’t she be asked more thought provoking questions other than insinuating she was molested?

  • HB

    I kind of just wish this whole thing would go away.
    And I also kind of wish I were okay with porn so I could get out of my student debt too. But we’re not all so lucky..
    Additionally, I read a statement she made, and I wanted to get behind it, really, but I think she’s really confused about sex positive feminism.

    • Felicity Maera-Wallace

      So sex positive feminism is not about a woman choosing what to do with her own body and being open about it? Strange.

      I think you mean fauxmenism-where women shame other women for their choices and deny their agency, especially if they choose sex work.

    • Samantha Escobar

      I wouldn’t call her lucky necessarily. I mean, sometimes I wish I were extremely comfortable with and devoted to exercise so I could be a personal trainer, but I’m not. I also wish I were really great at biology, so I could be a doctor. Other times, I wish I were cool with rejection, so I could be a full-time poet. It’s not so much “luck” as having your personality and preferences just…be yours, how they are.

    • FemelleChevalier

      I can dance in flimsy clothes, but I can’t be a stripper unless the clients want to see me do variations of head stands and baby freezes on stage.

      Necessity is a factor, but it’s not enough. You have to be capable of doing the job.

  • S

    Sorry sweets but there is nothing empowering about thousands of faceless men on the internet jacking off to you – whether you call the shots on set or not, these men or women do not care about your intelligence or how you feel; whether it be empowered or miserable, they care about rubbing one out. The industry is only using your willingness to profit from that.

  • rick

    Maybe she just enjoys c*ck and now makes money from it.

  • Zoe

    If it wasn’t for the 60k a year price tag she probably wouldn’t need to do porn to afford going to the school of her choice, with that said let’s criticise the capitalist system which put such a ridiculous price tag on tertiary education.

    • Kit Kimberly

      While theoretically I agree with the anti-capitalist rhetoric, the fact is, she could’ve gone to another university less than 10 miles down the road for JUST as good (and reputable) a degree and about 1/10th the cost (UNC-Ch).

      At the same time, if she wants to go to Duke and she’s OK to pay for it this way, that’s HER business and no one else’s.

  • Eddie Cortes

    Seriously? This has got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve read in a long time. Spouting typical moral relativism to rationalize your bad 18 year old decision doesn’t make you “intelligent.” It just makes you look like you’re rationalizing. Look, you wanna do porn? Knock yourself out. But own it & live with the consequences. Don’t try to say there’s something wrong with society because no one is patting you on the back. I’m a card carrying progressive but don’t get up here & try to pretend that you’re so hip, cool & above it all that you’d be OK with it if YOUR kid came up to you one day & said she was doing porn. Gimme a break….

    • nixvisceral

      Ummm, soooo, death threats, harassment, petitions for expulsion, name calling, and abuse is the same as “not getting a pat on the back.” You think women who choose a harmless, lucrative job to pay their bills deserve this kind of abuse? You think that those are just the natural consequences of doing porn and not a problematic symptom of a society that is obsessed with controlling women’s bodies?
      I would, in fact, be supportive if my son or daughter told me they want to do porn. Having known many incredibly strong, intelligent, eloquent, and ambitious people who have worked in the sex industry, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

    • Eddie Cortes

      Um sooo, aside from self reporting, what proof is there that she’s been threatened? Seriously, who threatens a porn star with death? Now, harassment, mocking, all that stuff, sure. That could happen. Is it also possible she didn’t cut the mustard @ Duke or the school asked her to leave? Yeah, I think that’s possible. But aside from you EXCEPTIONAL attitude about porn & your kids I’m pretty sure if you’d ask around, most people would not be cool with it.

    • nixvisceral

      I personally know sex workers who have received death threats after being outed. Lots of groups of people (queer and trans people for instance) receive death threats after being outed. Especially in a religious community like that at Duke.
      Your very intentional denial of the hate, abuse and oppression porn stars and sex workers face is insulting and childish. You are essentially calling a woman who has already faced incredible amounts of abuse a liar, for no real reason except that it supports your worldview that she deserves whatever she gets. You even concede that it’s likely she receives harassment and mocking, and you think that is appropriate? And now you’re pulling out random nonsensical explanations for things in the video – if you’d listened carefully you would hear that it was the fellow STUDENTS who were trying to petition for her expulsion, not the Duke administration. That would make no sense if it had to do with academic standing. Seriously, the level of mental gymnastics you are doing to try to justify what this woman is going through is pretty repulsive.
      Also, what is your point about most people not being cool with it? It’s a cultural viewpoint that I and many people I know share that there is nothing wrong with doing porn, but obviously that’s not the dominant cultural narrative. 30 years ago the dominant cultural narrative was that it was disgusting and unhealthy to be gay, and then acceptance was gained. Your appeal to tradition is showing.

    • Eddie Cortes

      She is not queer or trans. I did not deny the abuse, I said I didn’t believe her life was threatened. I never said anything about the administration. I never said I was OK w/ anything, basically I said what do you expect? You & many people you know don’t make up the majority of society.

    • Eddie Cortes

      “Look as sentient meat, however illusory our identities are, we craft those identities by making value judgments. Everybody judges, ALL the time. Now, you got a problem with that, you’re livin’ wrong.” — Rust Cohle, True Detective

    • GraceFaith Janet

      I know the media regularly lie. The death threats story may be to gain sympathy.

    • GraceFaith Janet

      Did you know alot of the threats come from boys who are regular viewers of porn? They are treating her the way porn has programmed them to treat her simple. She allowed herself on camera to be choked spit on called names the boys who saw her videos think thats how they should treat her. Is it right? NO, but then she goes and claims she loves the rough sex, being choked and called names.

    • Gwyne Bahler

      So they are victims because “porn taught them to be mean to girls” because liking rough sex means you are a sociopath? Wow. I have never heard such internalized misogyny. You are ACTUALLY defending men who abuse women in real life because “omg! Big bad porn made them think it was okay!” I’ve engaged in plenty of rough sex myself with men who, in a million years, would NEVER treat a woman that way who did not consent within the context of a FANTASY. Rough sex and rape/abuse/domestic violence/etc are NOT. THE. SAME. THING. You are essentially using the “boys will be boys” argument, which is anti-feminism at its heart. A boy who cannot distinguish between watching some kinky porn and treating a woman abusively IS THE ONE AT FAULT. Maybe it’s time for you to examine you own attitudes about women before you dare criticize another woman’s choices.

  • Erica Cook

    I don’t like porn, but I like even less people judging someone for doing a perfectly legal job. She has no reason to feel shape, the View on the other hand does. This is someone looking for a way to go to school. No one has the right to judge her for it.

  • Tyler

    Whoopi Goldberg is actually the only smart host on the show.

  • Katie

    Of course she “had something memorized” — she knew she was going on international television to defend herself against those assholes.

  • XXX

    Yesterday you berated Adam Levine for dating models. Today you’re praising this woman for appearing in porn (not to mention expecting it to be a secret when she is a public figure). Where Levine gets criticized for exercising his free choice, Knox is praised for exercising hers. In The Gloss land, dating who you want is A Sin, but being a prostitute with cameras around is fine. Situational morality? Beyond that, it’s naive to claim this is merely a career choice, as if she decided to work at the Gap. You should study up women her age who got into porn and how it affected them. Start with Jessie Rogers.

    • Cambel

      They aren’t praising her for appearing in porn, they are praising her for her responses to silly questions.

  • Cambel

    And yet the real question gets missed. Why is education so expensive? Why is finding continually cut from our colleges? Why do the same politicians who claim we MUST go into Lybia, Syria, Iran etc… and that we can afford it claim that we can’t afford to support education in our country. Even though less than one tenth of the money spent in Iraq could pay for tuition for every single college student in the nation.

    • http://www.pavelkounine.com/ Pavel Kounine

      You obviously don’t get it. The only legitimate way to spend public money is to start wars, kill foreigners, and imprison dissenters. Spending tax dollars on empowering the masses is nothing more than filthy communism.

  • http://3oclockam.blogspot.com emawkc

    Why the hell were you watching The View?

  • Wow

    Wow… so if this young lady wanted to be a prostitute on the street corner in order to pay for college, that would be okay? Only because the money is going to tuition? What if this was your daughter? What if this was your mother? She’s whoring herself out for money. When did this become acceptable? How can you close your eyes at night knowing you’re going out of your way grasping at straws to defend her? Sure, we don’t have to berate the young girl, but defend her? Really? I’m so thankful none of you are my parents and I truly feel sorry for your kids (if you have them).

    The fact that many of you are defending her and finding every little asinine argument to justify her actions is mindblowing. What has our society become? This is why our country has reached the point of no return. This is why our generation is in the slumps.

    Americans never cease to amaze me. Tomorrow, you guys will be defending a woman who sleeps around on her husband with her boss, all because she wants a promotion… which is totally acceptable because she’s doing it to “better her life”. Or a mother sleeps with her son’s 21 year old friend, all because she doesn’t him to hang around her son anymore… which is totally acceptable because she’s doing it for a good reason. Sadly, I’m sure I’m not exaggerating any of this as you guys would defend such actions.

    I truly feel sorry for you guys. I really do. But I guess the age old saying is true: “Money is the root of all evil”. And that’s proving to be true considering she has the public defending her. To hell with morality! It’s all about the benjamins!

    • Joshua Barrett

      “To hell with morality!”
      If by morality you mean doing harm to people and treating them poorly because you don;t like the way they have sex? yeah to hell with that. Let me guess your a “true believer”

    • George Potter

      “Wow… so if this young lady wanted to be a prostitute on the street corner in order to pay for college, that would be okay? Only because the money is going to tuition? What if this was your daughter? What if this was your mother? She’s whoring herself out for money. When did this become acceptable? How can you close your eyes at night knowing you’re going out of your way grasping at straws to defend her? Sure, we don’t have to berate the young girl, but defend her? Really?”

      Yes, really. It would be okay. My best friend works part time in a stripclub. It’s her choice, she finds it better than most other jobs available and it’s just a job. Other people work serving in restaurants. Either way they’re still being paid for the use of their body. How is one more degrading than the other?

      Besides which, how dare you condemn women for their own choices? The whole bloody point of feminism is that women shouldn’t be *forced* to do anything. But this isn’t about being forced, this is about women making a choice – and shame on you for getting on a high horse to try and shame and condemn them for their life choices when they’re not hurting anyone else. Put bluntly, it’s none of your business. If this woman wants to work in porn then that’s up to her. And it’s people like you who made this an issue in the first place by pillorying her instead of letting her get on with it.

      It’s pretty pathetic that your idea of feminism is attacking a woman and demonising her with all the associated impacts on her wellbeing all for the sake of your own unaware, self-righteous moralising masquerading as concern for other women.

      Pro-tip: feminism is not about trying to put women out of work or about trying to shame them for their jobs.

    • GraceFaith Janet

      Although she claims to have rights on the sets. Why can she not advocate for the men she performs with to use a condom after her she is a faminist and wants to empower women. Condom use should be a start.

    • FemelleChevalier

      Just curious. Why would you equate defending someone who’s merely doing her job to defending people who chose to perform unsavory actions via manipulative use of sexuality? It’s an iffy analogy and doesn’t make sense. At all.

  • pol friendly

    In the pornography profession you are either the victim or you’re the victimizer. Unlike generations of women who fought to NOT have to do sex work and service men to survive, she turned down a full ride at a different university and takes up the banner to fight FOR her bourgeois right to be completely free with her body no matter who else it hurts. She willingly chose to go into a profession that commodifies women’s bodies and sexualizes their degradation. This is the very definition of misogyny and perpetuating rape culture. If she merely wanted to be beaten and choked in her private sexual life, no one could speak a word against that, but she chose to have it done to herself on video for money, and transmit it to the world. She got paid, but the ones who paid the price are other women. Her “outing” is merely reaping what she sowed. Did she really think no one would recognize her if she did a shoot every weekend?

    • GraceFaith Janet
    • BDC0213

      I disagree with most of your comments, but I thank you for uploading this. I wasn’t sure if other commenters knew the sort of porn in question and accused others of getting all worked up about playboy-esque material.

    • Empress Theodora

      That’s called working on the porn set. If you can’t distinguish fantasy from reality, then I pity you.

  • EricBlairEtc

    She is very articulate, but I think it is a mistake to hold her up as an example of feminism.

    She is doing the work because the porn industry is one of the few where female performers are paid much more than men. This might look like an argument in favour of porn, but it should rightly be seen as a condemnation of the rest of the market.

    Sex workers should be accorded dignity and freedom, but we should also acknowledge there are plenty of people who are going into the industry because all they have to sell is their bodies, and some people are terribly exploited as a result.

    There are women who have been able to assert control over their porn careers where they are in control or can do only what they consent to, even in extreme scenes (like Kink), but Belle Knox is performing with “Facial Abuse” which is a site that specializes in the depiction of degrading women and often depicts women crying, being slapped, choked, forced to perform sex acts against their will, even as they are saying they want it to stop. They do not depict consensual acts, they often portray what appears to be acts of actual rape. It is horrible.

    There is a site called efukt which has a clip of her performing and discussing her feminism. You may want to see it before you make up your minds.

  • George Potter

    The world according to Whoopi Goldberg:

    Drugging and raping a 13 year old girl is fine because it’s not “rape rape”.
    But an adult woman choosing to work in porn is disgraceful.

    Go figure.

    • Bren

      Did you even watch the video? Whoopi Goldbeg was the only one NOT giving her shit.

    • FemelleChevalier

      He was talking about Whoopi defending Roman Polanski.

  • Michael Rowe

    Terrific piece.

  • David

    she will probably make money doing porn now after this, good for her!

    • Honey Badger

      She’s got a good two, maybe three, months left in her porn career. The industry chews up people fast.

    • Empress Theodora

      Yep. Porn is a competitive game. That’s why, like most porn veterans would say, not all should go into porn unless they can handle it. It’s not as easy as most would presume.

  • Mary

    I totally get the reason for doing porn – relatively easy money, right? Why work menial jobs or take out student loans like the rest of us when you can use your natural physical beauty and supposed desire for sex to make money? Forget about how it could affect your potential career, your life, or how it affects your family to see you in that position. What about men/women that you would want to spend your life with? They may talk as though they would love to have sex with a porn star, and they probably do, but how many of them would want to spend their life with you if you screw men and women for a living? This is just with ordinary porn in mind, let alone the most degrading types of porn. Men will probably be tempted to look you up online if they know you did porn, and with all this publicity, it will be years before people will forget your face or name. You cannot hide from this and whether you want to believe it or not, people generally do not want to be with someone who has sex with just anyone (as porn seems to come across) because they do not want to be in a relationship where they feel they have to question the fidelity of the other partner. It may be mentally difficult for people to dissociate your porn from a what is expected in a romantic relationship. All this just does not sound very empowering to me. Yes, you have a choice over what you are doing but these choices are going to make your life significantly more challenging as a woman. The reality is you will lose a lot of opportunities based on these choices and that is not at all empowering.

    • BDC0213

      Doing porn compromises her chances of landing Mr. Right, then? Because after all this whoring around, she’s definitely not marriage material?

      You seem to be coming from a place of genuine concern and it echoes the sort of thing we cautioned young women about in the past.

      Having damaged goods (shorthand for her sexual history) doesn’t sound empowering to you? To me, telling 18-year-old women their romantic future is compromised by her sleep number is worse! I would hope a single girl at this age would have not a care in the world about her future betrothed, except to say that he’s going to have to accept her for what she is, as-is.

    • Goddamnit

      it gets looser

      loose is no good

    • Honey Badger

      Most normal guys wouldn’t want to marry and have kids with a porn star. Some guys would love it, but those aren’t the most desirable dudes.

    • Berlin

      Exactly. As a former stripper and current professional dominatrix, I have found that any man who would otherwise be interested in you but cannot separate you as a person from what you do has more insecurities and issues than any woman I’ve known in the sex industry. This argument isnt about whether a woman is “good” or “bad” or “moral” or “immoral” or “damaged” or “pure.” It’s about the fact that we shoudln’t be having it in the first place. It’s no one else’s place, especially not a man’s, to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. I have had a wonderful, loving, confident man in my life for almost 5 years. My job in no way threatens him or makes him view me as “less than” any other woman. I’m not saying every man should be expected to be okay with their girlfriend doing porn, but there are certainly more than enough men who are evolved enough not to view a woman’s “value” through her sexuality. There are many types of people in this world who choose to live all different types of lifestyles. Everyone has the right to define what they are comfortable with. It doesn’t make anyone better or worse.

  • victoria ordin

    I watched the clip and it wasn’t quite as bad as the article led me to believe. Whoopi was cool. Barbara Walters is ancient and she was by far the most offense (much worse than the “heartbreak” lady).

    I do think watching porn at 12 is at the very least unusual and premature sexualization. I think it’s very, very encouraging to see her speak in her own voice on TV finally in ways that are clear, calm and compelling.

    The initial stories did not make her sound very bright. I’d feel better if she didn’t study useless, idiotic subjects of course. Real humanities or real science not bad social science or worse, Women’s Studies.

    But if she gets top LSAT scores and top grades, she’ll get into a good law school. Elizabeth Wurtzel got into Yale Law because she was a two-time NYT bestseller. She was a junkie and a train wreck–and at 46 she still is.

    I wish her only the best. Walters can be a complete moron. Sometimes she isn’t but she was terrible here.

    And yes, I am a writer and was as a person who believes that feminism is about choice-including total control over one’s own body, whether in sex or in the termination of pregnancy–highly critical of this woman. NOT because I am anti-porn. I’m not at all. But I thought this just puts her in such a vulnerable position, open to so much hate, ugliness and potential violence. I think “concern-troll” is a silly term but I suppose I fell into that category. I’ve changed my mind since writing my blog about her on Victorian Chick.

    But she’s made of strong stuff. This is not a dumb girl and I think she’ll weather this just fine longterm.

    • BDC0213

      Wow, possessing a degree in a “real science” I find your characterization of her course of study as “useless and idiotic” troubling. Then again, I think I made judgements about people’s ambition and intelligence on the basis of their majors 15 years ago, too. Then again, I’ve never taken a women’s studies course.

  • Unknownfear

    All I have to say is, Don’t become a porn star and expect the world to respect you like everyone else. If you want to be respected, you should’ve gone to a state school that you could afford, and not sold your body for sex. Its good that you want to go to a good school, but nothing is worth degrading yourself… unless you don’t care what anyone thinks of you. Which you probably don’t. Or, maybe you do, because you want men to find you arousing.

  • Honey Badger

    I saw she has dropped out of Duke. Now she’s just a below-average looking poor star. I hope she is saving every nickel she earns in porn, cause she’s gonna need it.

  • pickin_grinnin

    I have never been impressed by the panel on “The View.”

  • Brooke

    I couldn’t care less that she does porn. What I do take issue with is her explanation. Millions of people go to college and somehow manage to make it through without doing porn. I personally would prefer to maintain my dignity and my privacy and incur student debt which I will pay off over time. She says she wants to go to law school and that she wouldn’t want to work for an organization that takes issue with her porn, but, as a current law student, I know that finding a job is not easy, and that’s with an unimpeachable background! She is naive to think this will not adversely affect her future – but I guess she can always stick with her current chosen career!

  • Corrine

    great article! not sure how I missed this happening on the internet, so I am very glad you wrote this. Barbara Walters really got down graded in my book. She was always a great interviewer, but this was just horrible. Good job Whoopi! She’s the only on in that clip that had any sort of compassion and common sense. I also expected more out of McCarthy. She took her clothes off for cash too. Or is that ok because it was in Playboy? Shepherd should ask her husband when he first started watching porn, maybe he will give a “rehearsed” answer too.

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  • jennyjones

    This what femi nazis have done to this country. Way to go bra burners you made us more exploited than ever.

  • jennyjones

    This girl is deeply psychologically damaged it is sickening.

  • jennyjones

    I feel empowered when men stronger and older than me are choking me out and humiliating me. This is the result of the women’s movement and don’t forget it.

  • KayaLove

    When she graduates and applies for jobs no one will actually take her seriously and jump off the seat to hire her. What recognizable law firm or organization is going to want to hire a porn star when they get her background check? None haha!!! And Im sorry, but I don’t think its normal for 12 years old to be”watching” porn. I didnt get subjected to it until my late teens and even then I didnt care to watch it and thought it was completely disturbing. Made me feel disgusting. Yes everyone had different sexual appetites but porn is wrong on many deep levels. One day down the road she will regret selling her body just to get a piece of paper that says she graduated!

  • blah

    Shame she doesn’t plan on using her intellect to do something useful wither life.

  • Joe Kehoe

    she is a whore. the definition of whore is someone who takes money for sex. this supposedly smart girl instead of getting student loans decided to give her pussy to anyone who wants it for money she is whore and pig. No mtter what she does in life that is all she will ever be and no man would ever love and marry a pig who whored her cunt out this way. We are not talking about having a kid and being homeless and not being able to eat. She decided being a whore and a pig was just fine and sees nothing wrong with it. She wants to get a message out that is is ok lol? the only message she got out is she is easy and i hope her parents disown her, her friends leave her and she gets raped often …which is ok since she has put her nasty holes out there for everyone’s pleasure. in the end, if she kills herself really no big loss one less whore in the world

  • Mike

    She was against doing porn before she was for it, a hypocrite who’s trying to get as much $$$ out of this as she can before her roles dry up (I’ve seen her in action, not exactly A list performer or body) and less she changes her appearance and name she will never get a job as a manager much less earn from a 9-5 what her degree cost.